Fawlty Towers Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 A blue card and 10 minutes in the sin bin - good idea or not? https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68246971 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 After careful consideration and consultation I think it's a load of bollox. Another "initiative" that nobody asked for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeanieD Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 The problem might be that a team defending desperately at the end of a game starts conceding numerous fouls, using chronic time wasting tactics, and potentially showing dissent at every decision. What then? - does the ref end up sending 3 or 4 or 5 players to the "sin-bin" effectively reducing the game to a farce just to ensure Rangers equalise or get a late winner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAGSMAN1968 Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 Is it April 1st already?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Peebles Tackle Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 They can think of this 💩 but can’t seem to get their head round a 16 team top league… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 I can already see the VAR referees trying to lipread the slow-motion videos to see if the player shouted "F*** off!" at the ref or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiThistle Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 So how many blue cards until you get a yellow card? If you finish a game in the sin bin do you start the next game in the sin bin? And if I play a reverse card, can I put the ref in the sin bin? And if I play a Draw Four card, will Munn’s honor it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QXBoy Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 If you're going to have BLUE card offences then obviously (to avoid claims of bias from a certain quarter) you will need to find an offence that merits a GREEN card! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 A green card........ it can take years to get one of those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 A black card.......would at least complete the set in Thistle colours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westertonjagfan Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 Stupid idea, to be frank. Sorry, Frank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 What exactly is the problem that this is trying to solve ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 The phrase seems to be cynical foul. Something that is not quite a red but should be more than a yellow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 Too many refs are scared of managers complaining. If it is more than a yellow, it is a red. PERIOD. And any red card appeal should have the suspension automatically doubled if it is unsuccessful. Too many whimsical appeals. If you can't take the punishment, don't commit the crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laukat Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 The sin bin works in rugby but it works under the context of a yellow card being given for repeated fouling, dissent or denying a scoring opportunity with red cards reserved for fouls that endanger player safety or for 2 yellow cards. So to my mind we don't need a blue card, we need to redefine what a yellow card is. I suspect the introduction of a blue card provides an easy way out for refs. I doubt the extra man advantage make a difference to the score of a game as most teams will just park the bus and time waste for 10 minutes. Where a sin bin could be more useful is in penalising timewasting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 Surely a man in the sin bin for timewasting would incur even more timewasting as you mentioned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laukat Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 10 minutes ago, jaggy said: Surely a man in the sin bin for timewasting would incur even more timewasting as you mentioned? Not if the ref keeps awarding blue cards 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 4 hours ago, Dick Dastardly said: Too many refs are scared of managers complaining. If it is more than a yellow, it is a red. PERIOD. And any red card appeal should have the suspension automatically doubled if it is unsuccessful. Too many whimsical appeals. If you can't take the punishment, don't commit the crime. Not saying I agree with it. I was saying what the problem is that they are trying to solve. There is obviously a perception among the authorities that there is something between a yellow and a red. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 What would happen if a goalie got a blue card? You can't sub him, as he's in the sin-bin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowenBoys Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 29 minutes ago, jagfox said: What would happen if a goalie got a blue card? You can't sub him, as he's in the sin-bin. Would have to sub an outfield player, assuming all subs have not been made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 32 minutes ago, jagfox said: What would happen if a goalie got a blue card? You can't sub him, as he's in the sin-bin. No different for when a keeper gets a red card Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: No different for when a keeper gets a red card Yes it is. Your original keeper comes back on... 11 minutes ago, BowenBoys said: Would have to sub an outfield player, assuming all subs have not been made. You then potentially have two keepers. Not a dig guys, just highlighting the lack of joined up thinking behind this shambles. Edited February 9 by jagfox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowenBoys Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 5 minutes ago, jagfox said: Yes it is. Your original keeper comes back on... You then potentially have two keepers. Not a dig guys, just highlighting the lack of joined up thinking behind this shambles. Then the sub keeper can play as a striker and score from 30yds. Guess you would have to use two substitutions, if available, to get the sub goalie off again. If you don't have two subs left, you would have to put an outfield player in goal for 10 mins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 14 minutes ago, BowenBoys said: Then the sub keeper can play as a striker and score from 30yds. Guess you would have to use two substitutions, if available, to get the sub goalie off again. If you don't have two subs left, you would have to put an outfield player in goal for 10 mins. Or sub the sinbinned keeper for an outfield player the moment the suspension is over. Manager has a choice to make Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 Not sure if this is the right solution but I do appreciate that there is a problem which it would be helpful to address. Speaking neutrally as a fan of open attacking football it always annoys me when a player beats another player with a bit of trickery, or a player is sprung forward through an enterprising series of quick passes, a defender will often wrestle the player in possession to the ground and stifle the promising move at birth. Occasionally that defender is the last man and is rightfully red carded. However, 90% of the time the offending player is lauded as “taking one for the team”. Indeed a player can often be criticised for not fouling an opponent early on in a move that leads to an attack. A yellow card does not really help the other team (unless it goes to make up a red). Therefore the defending side has killed the move and got away Scot free. There is definitely a case for a more effective remedy to discourage cynical fouls. Not sure if the blue card is the best idea, but willing to give it a try. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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