mad-jag Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 1 hour ago, javeajag said: At what cost .... Or what benefit... depends if your glass is half full or half empty I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 The Bunnet and Jimmy Bone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 Only in football management... In any other business experience is recognised and appreciated. It's not everything but it's something. Seems that in football its only your failures that are remembered (regardless of th extent f your successes). McCall for me but I'm still waiting for someone to explain why John Hughes is such an offensive idea. And Jackie McNamara... Been watching Thstle for 35 years and he put together the best team I've seen, so I'm struggling o care about what he did at York City. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jags on tour Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 Never want to see a man lose his job obviously but it’s the right decision. Caldwell’s managerial career is over for good now and he will now need to get lucky with a media post and all the best to him, but he was totally out his depth. I was quite happy when he was appointed as he was someone new, young, enthusiastic, had his own ideas and sounded like he had an identity of how we would play, he talked a great game but we just couldn’t do it on the park. Going into a season with a strike force of Miller, Jones and Mansell and expecting to challenge for the league was ludicrous. Jones never kicked a baw for anyone previously and for us and has had loads of injuries, Mansell was signed off the back of a goal at QOTS because we stayed up on the last day, I think GC was as pished as some of the fans that day to offer him a new contract. This season, we couldn’t beat part time Alloa who had a new manager in charge for first time, can’t beat part time Arbroath, led against DUTD at half time and lost, led 2-0 vs a terrible Morton with 20 mins to go and still lost then led twice against Ayr and lost 3-2. Just not good enough. Embarrassing. Can’t see why folk want Archie and Jackie back, both managerial careers have been ruined since leaving us. Aye we had something a bit special but not anymore, folk are just remembering the good times after Dools testimonial, I cant see folk being happy at re-signing Balatoni, Craigen, Craig and Forbes etc. Get IM in, boot a few baws, get Firhill rocking again with a manager that knows about football and knows how to play to their strengths, instead of some pretend football philosopher Martinez wannabee. Ayr lost Shankland and a few others and I expected them to be relegation material this year, yet they have lost about 40 goals a season from their team, just beat dundee utd and are joint top, that’s not luck, its good proper man management and hard work in training, instead of just believing ‘ my way is the right way of playing and I’m not changing it for anyone!’ 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted September 19, 2019 Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 I often see Alex McLeish in the West end of Glasgow, could he be looking to get back into club football in Scotland ? McLeish and Kenny Miller management team 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiThistle Posted September 19, 2019 Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 Owen Coyle time!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted September 19, 2019 Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Paolo said: I often see Alex McLeish in the West end of Glasgow, could he be looking to get back into club football in Scotland ? McLeish and Kenny Miller management team No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted September 19, 2019 Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 8 hours ago, Blackpool Jags said: Credit to Beattie for adding the final slide to Caldo's PowerPoint presentation. McNamara: no feckin chance. Our self esteem might've declined over the past two years, but not to the extent of taking that wee fecker back. Danny Lennon or Ian McCall. Let's get the Thistle spirit back into Thistle. Well, I’m not going to gloat but it was time Caldwell departed; he should never have been appointed. He’d clearly lost the dressing room. Lennon or McCall with Dools as Assistant would be a welcome move. Let’s get the good times back at Firhill and get the team moving up the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted September 19, 2019 Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 7 hours ago, allyo said: Only in football management... In any other business experience is recognised and appreciated. It's not everything but it's something. Seems that in football its only your failures that are remembered (regardless of th extent f your successes). McCall for me but I'm still waiting for someone to explain why John Hughes is such an offensive idea. And Jackie McNamara... Been watching Thstle for 35 years and he put together the best team I've seen, so I'm struggling o care about what he did at York City. I wouldn't be averse to McNamara, but he does seem a bit of a snake and the way he left and then nicked Erskine still rankles with a big section of Jags fans. Hughes is just marmite, you like him or hate him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted September 19, 2019 Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 7 hours ago, allyo said: Only in football management... In any other business experience is recognised and appreciated. It's not everything but it's something. Seems that in football its only your failures that are remembered (regardless of th extent f your successes). McCall for me but I'm still waiting for someone to explain why John Hughes is such an offensive idea. And Jackie McNamara... Been watching Thstle for 35 years and he put together the best team I've seen, so I'm struggling o care about what he did at York City. Do you think it is remotely possible that Beattie would reappoint him after the dispute over the promotion bonus ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted September 19, 2019 Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 7 hours ago, jags on tour said: Never want to see a man lose his job obviously but it’s the right decision. Caldwell’s managerial career is over for good now and he will now need to get lucky with a media post and all the best to him, but he was totally out his depth. I was quite happy when he was appointed as he was someone new, young, enthusiastic, had his own ideas and sounded like he had an identity of how we would play, he talked a great game but we just couldn’t do it on the park. Going into a season with a strike force of Miller, Jones and Mansell and expecting to challenge for the league was ludicrous. Jones never kicked a baw for anyone previously and for us and has had loads of injuries, Mansell was signed off the back of a goal at QOTS because we stayed up on the last day, I think GC was as pished as some of the fans that day to offer him a new contract. This season, we couldn’t beat part time Alloa who had a new manager in charge for first time, can’t beat part time Arbroath, led against DUTD at half time and lost, led 2-0 vs a terrible Morton with 20 mins to go and still lost then led twice against Ayr and lost 3-2. Just not good enough. Embarrassing. Can’t see why folk want Archie and Jackie back, both managerial careers have been ruined since leaving us. Aye we had something a bit special but not anymore, folk are just remembering the good times after Dools testimonial, I cant see folk being happy at re-signing Balatoni, Craigen, Craig and Forbes etc. Get IM in, boot a few baws, get Firhill rocking again with a manager that knows about football and knows how to play to their strengths, instead of some pretend football philosopher Martinez wannabee. Ayr lost Shankland and a few others and I expected them to be relegation material this year, yet they have lost about 40 goals a season from their team, just beat dundee utd and are joint top, that’s not luck, its good proper man management and hard work in training, instead of just believing ‘ my way is the right way of playing and I’m not changing it for anyone!’ I might be missing your point about Martinez - but doe he not coach the country that is no 1 in the world ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonehJags Posted September 19, 2019 Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 The great John Lambie is a swear word in Falkirk. He had a poor time there yet came back to us and performed another miracle. The animosity towards Jackie is astounding. Would we have went on to win the league I don't know, but he led us to a cup final, even if it was the Ramsdens. McCall signed some good players but Jackie got them playing. In the 4 years or so McCall was in charge we finished 2nd once and took rangers to a replay in the Scottish Cup. Memorable as it was, we didnt achieve very much and I'm not sure why there is such a clamour for him over the man who brought the feel good factor back to Firhill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagsman Posted September 19, 2019 Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 Mccall started up our youth academy was 1 of the 1st things he wanted also found dools n erskine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That 1 jags fan Posted September 19, 2019 Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 Jackie is also involved with the signings of fellow strugglers Dunfermline. A no from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jags on tour Posted September 19, 2019 Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 55 minutes ago, Lenziejag said: I might be missing your point about Martinez - but doe he not coach the country that is no 1 in the world ? Aye but he’s a decent coach and has a good track record and can implement what he wants, Caldwell has had a terrible record but still thinks he’s doing the right thing yet he’s just been Bobby Linn’d for the 3rd time in as many years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emsca Posted September 19, 2019 Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 8 hours ago, jags on tour said: Never want to see a man lose his job obviously but it’s the right decision. Caldwell’s managerial career is over for good now and he will now need to get lucky with a media post and all the best to him, but he was totally out his depth. I was quite happy when he was appointed as he was someone new, young, enthusiastic, had his own ideas and sounded like he had an identity of how we would play, he talked a great game but we just couldn’t do it on the park. Going into a season with a strike force of Miller, Jones and Mansell and expecting to challenge for the league was ludicrous. Jones never kicked a baw for anyone previously and for us and has had loads of injuries, Mansell was signed off the back of a goal at QOTS because we stayed up on the last day, I think GC was as pished as some of the fans that day to offer him a new contract. This season, we couldn’t beat part time Alloa who had a new manager in charge for first time, can’t beat part time Arbroath, led against DUTD at half time and lost, led 2-0 vs a terrible Morton with 20 mins to go and still lost then led twice against Ayr and lost 3-2. Just not good enough. Embarrassing. Can’t see why folk want Archie and Jackie back, both managerial careers have been ruined since leaving us. Aye we had something a bit special but not anymore, folk are just remembering the good times after Dools testimonial, I cant see folk being happy at re-signing Balatoni, Craigen, Craig and Forbes etc. Get IM in, boot a few baws, get Firhill rocking again with a manager that knows about football and knows how to play to their strengths, instead of some pretend football philosopher Martinez wannabee. Ayr lost Shankland and a few others and I expected them to be relegation material this year, yet they have lost about 40 goals a season from their team, just beat dundee utd and are joint top, that’s not luck, its good proper man management and hard work in training, instead of just believing ‘ my way is the right way of playing and I’m not changing it for anyone!’ Good post. Totally agree with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted September 19, 2019 Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Lenziejag said: Do you think it is remotely possible that Beattie would reappoint him after the dispute over the promotion bonus ? Doubt it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Passenger Posted September 19, 2019 Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Jagsman said: Mccall started up our youth academy was 1 of the 1st things he wanted also found dools n erskine He signed them on someone else's recommendation. Not having a dig, just stating the facts. The great Bobby Dinnie is too often overlooked when the signing of Doolan and Erskine crops up. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagsman Posted September 19, 2019 Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 Dinnie did some job over the years but that's the responsibility of being a gd scout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted September 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 If we apply the ‘ look at their managerial record ‘ criteria that was directed at Caldwell I struggle to see how anyone can recommend McNamara ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted September 19, 2019 Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 3 hours ago, jags on tour said: Aye but he’s a decent coach and has a good track record and can implement what he wants, Caldwell has had a terrible record but still thinks he’s doing the right thing yet he’s just been Bobby Linn’d for the 3rd time in as many years! Ok. I obviously did miss your point. You are having a go at Caldwell because he was trying to copy Martinez’s method and failing as opposed to having a go at the method itself ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted September 19, 2019 Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 If Caldwell's plan was to get us playing like Belgum then he fell some way short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiThistle Posted September 19, 2019 Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 Toss this out there for debate.... What if we went way against the grain and hired Shelley Kerr? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinhead Posted September 19, 2019 Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 20 minutes ago, ChiThistle said: Toss this out there for debate.... What if we went way against the grain and hired Shelley Kerr? naw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingleo Posted September 19, 2019 Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 Shelly Kerr and bring j low back as chairperson. That would be special Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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