Jaggernaut Posted December 7, 2020 Report Share Posted December 7, 2020 1 hour ago, p12tfc said: Any professional footballer should be able to hit put the ball over half way up the goal every time. If it’s between halfway up and the bar you will score virtually every time. Why players still go low amazes me. Also not enough players go down the middle The problem is that if a player hits it straight down the middle and the keeper stops it, folk would be say it's the worst penalty the've seen in years, all he had to do was place it in a corner, etc. Basically, most players aren't accurate or precise enough to hit it right every time, some keepers are better than others at anticipating/guessing, and keepers also get lucky at times. I'd like to know which Thistle keeper holds the best record for percentage of penalties saved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a f kincaid Posted December 8, 2020 Report Share Posted December 8, 2020 9 hours ago, Jaggernaut said: The problem is that if a player hits it straight down the middle and the keeper stops it, folk would be say it's the worst penalty the've seen in years, all he had to do was place it in a corner, etc. Basically, most players aren't accurate or precise enough to hit it right every time, some keepers are better than others at anticipating/guessing, and keepers also get lucky at times. I'd like to know which Thistle keeper holds the best record for percentage of penalties saved. Seven keepers have a 100% record but they faced only 7 kicks in doing so. In context of a meaningful number of kicks faced Andy Murdoch (29%), Kenny Arthur (28%), Bobby Johnstone (27%), Johnny Tuffey, Nicky Walker and Willie Campbell (all 25%) lead the way. Bobby Johnstone’s feat of saving 5 consecutive penalties he faced (October 1937 to February 1938) was a noteworthy achievement. In contrast, Billy Ritchie with no saves from 10 kicks has the worst record. Curiously, another ex-Rangers keeper George Niven (a fine keeper) had only 1 save from 28. 1 save from 38 for this ex-Ibrox duo is far from impressive. Perhaps they didn’t get enough practice when playing for Rangers! Ironically Richie saved a penalty against his old club on 1/1/1970 but the referee ordered a re-take (encroachment). It was shot wide. A notable achievement by reserve keeper Robert McFarlane deserves a mention. The “Dumfries and Galloway Standard” reported that in a match against Kilmarnock reserves at Rugby Park on 27/10/1945 the referee ordered a penalty to be re-taken 6 times because he deemed that McFarlane had moved too soon. He saved the 7th attempt with a “legitimate” save. This relatively obscure report does not mention if the first 6 kicks were saved but it must be assumed that the referee would not have continued to penalise the opposition if they had already found the net. The event is confirmed by a reply in a readers’ letters column in the “Daily Mail” 22/1/1992. It suggested Kilmarnock hold the record for the number of re-taken penalty kicks. Difficult to disagree with that! The Kilmarnock “taker” was left-half Whyte. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted December 8, 2020 Report Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) Re penalties nobody's mentioned whether the actually goalie you're facing would/should come into the decision making. For instance (and I'm taking it to the extremes a tad) we had yon big Stuckmann fella a few seasons ago. I reckon the only ball hit on target he could stop would be one hit down the middle. He struggled big time to get down low for any shot so a penalty kicked low to either side would easily beat him. At the other end of the spectrum you get agile quick reflex keepers who are not that physically imposing. A kick down the middle might be the better option with them. Edited December 8, 2020 by lady-isobel-barnett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted December 8, 2020 Report Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 hour ago, a f kincaid said: Seven keepers have a 100% record but they faced only 7 kicks in doing so. In context of a meaningful number of kicks faced Andy Murdoch (29%), Kenny Arthur (28%), Bobby Johnstone (27%), Johnny Tuffey, Nicky Walker and Willie Campbell (all 25%) lead the way. Bobby Johnstone’s feat of saving 5 consecutive penalties he faced (October 1937 to February 1938) was a noteworthy achievement. In contrast, Billy Ritchie with no saves from 10 kicks has the worst record. Curiously, another ex-Rangers keeper George Niven (a fine keeper) had only 1 save from 28. 1 save from 38 for this ex-Ibrox duo is far from impressive. Perhaps they didn’t get enough practice when playing for Rangers! Ironically Richie saved a penalty against his old club on 1/1/1970 but the referee ordered a re-take (encroachment). It was shot wide. A notable achievement by reserve keeper Robert McFarlane deserves a mention. The “Dumfries and Galloway Standard” reported that in a match against Kilmarnock reserves at Rugby Park on 27/10/1945 the referee ordered a penalty to be re-taken 6 times because he deemed that McFarlane had moved too soon. He saved the 7th attempt with a “legitimate” save. This relatively obscure report does not mention if the first 6 kicks were saved but it must be assumed that the referee would not have continued to penalise the opposition if they had already found the net. The event is confirmed by a reply in a readers’ letters column in the “Daily Mail” 22/1/1992. It suggested Kilmarnock hold the record for the number of re-taken penalty kicks. Difficult to disagree with that! The Kilmarnock “taker” was left-half Whyte. Great stuff, afk. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandbank boy Posted December 8, 2020 Report Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 hour ago, a f kincaid said: Seven keepers have a 100% record but they faced only 7 kicks in doing so. In context of a meaningful number of kicks faced Andy Murdoch (29%), Kenny Arthur (28%), Bobby Johnstone (27%), Johnny Tuffey, Nicky Walker and Willie Campbell (all 25%) lead the way. Bobby Johnstone’s feat of saving 5 consecutive penalties he faced (October 1937 to February 1938) was a noteworthy achievement. In contrast, Billy Ritchie with no saves from 10 kicks has the worst record. Curiously, another ex-Rangers keeper George Niven (a fine keeper) had only 1 save from 28. 1 save from 38 for this ex-Ibrox duo is far from impressive. Perhaps they didn’t get enough practice when playing for Rangers! Ironically Richie saved a penalty against his old club on 1/1/1970 but the referee ordered a re-take (encroachment). It was shot wide. A notable achievement by reserve keeper Robert McFarlane deserves a mention. The “Dumfries and Galloway Standard” reported that in a match against Kilmarnock reserves at Rugby Park on 27/10/1945 the referee ordered a penalty to be re-taken 6 times because he deemed that McFarlane had moved too soon. He saved the 7th attempt with a “legitimate” save. This relatively obscure report does not mention if the first 6 kicks were saved but it must be assumed that the referee would not have continued to penalise the opposition if they had already found the net. The event is confirmed by a reply in a readers’ letters column in the “Daily Mail” 22/1/1992. It suggested Kilmarnock hold the record for the number of re-taken penalty kicks. Difficult to disagree with that! The Kilmarnock “taker” was left-half Whyte. Thanks for this AKF. I’ve been trying to get the facts of that story for a couple decades now. I knew it was against Killie but was always led to believe that it was us who had to re-take the pen 6 times and that we eventually missed, which I must admit seemed to fit in with Thistle folklore. Hats off to McFarlane, wonder what the possibility of that happening today would be? What with VAR an’ all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted December 8, 2020 Report Share Posted December 8, 2020 47 minutes ago, sandbank boy said: Thanks for this AKF. I’ve been trying to get the facts of that story for a couple decades now. I knew it was against Killie but was always led to believe that it was us who had to re-take the pen 6 times and that we eventually missed, which I must admit seemed to fit in with Thistle folklore. Hats off to McFarlane, wonder what the possibility of that happening today would be? What with VAR an’ all. He'd get booked for the first one and sent off for the second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitburnjag Posted December 8, 2020 Report Share Posted December 8, 2020 On 12/6/2020 at 9:17 AM, Jaggernaut said: It reminds me of Canyons of Your Mind, and the "ventricles of your heart, my dear." That takes me back...Bonzos...Viv Stanshall ; ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fearchar Posted December 8, 2020 Report Share Posted December 8, 2020 18 hours ago, Jaggernaut said: The problem is that if a player hits it straight down the middle and the keeper stops it, folk would be say it's the worst penalty the've seen in years, all he had to do was place it in a corner, etc. Basically, most players aren't accurate or precise enough to hit it right every time, some keepers are better than others at anticipating/guessing, and keepers also get lucky at times. I'd like to know which Thistle keeper holds the best record for percentage of penalties saved. The lack of attention to the basics in Scottish football is appalling. Every player expected to shoot - essentially, all midfielders and forwards - should be practising at least twice a week, and probably more often, shooting into a goal which has most of the goal blocked, i.e. to score they have to put the ball accurately in the foot or two gap just inside the woodwork. Repeatedly, every practice session, from different distances and angles. After that we wouldn't be watching ridiculous numbers of shots with so few on target. 1 out of 23, according to the stats published by the BBC - a disgrace. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted December 8, 2020 Report Share Posted December 8, 2020 9 hours ago, a f kincaid said: Seven keepers have a 100% record but they faced only 7 kicks in doing so. In context of a meaningful number of kicks faced Andy Murdoch (29%), Kenny Arthur (28%), Bobby Johnstone (27%), Johnny Tuffey, Nicky Walker and Willie Campbell (all 25%) lead the way. Bobby Johnstone’s feat of saving 5 consecutive penalties he faced (October 1937 to February 1938) was a noteworthy achievement. In contrast, Billy Ritchie with no saves from 10 kicks has the worst record. Curiously, another ex-Rangers keeper George Niven (a fine keeper) had only 1 save from 28. 1 save from 38 for this ex-Ibrox duo is far from impressive. Perhaps they didn’t get enough practice when playing for Rangers! Ironically Richie saved a penalty against his old club on 1/1/1970 but the referee ordered a re-take (encroachment). It was shot wide. A notable achievement by reserve keeper Robert McFarlane deserves a mention. The “Dumfries and Galloway Standard” reported that in a match against Kilmarnock reserves at Rugby Park on 27/10/1945 the referee ordered a penalty to be re-taken 6 times because he deemed that McFarlane had moved too soon. He saved the 7th attempt with a “legitimate” save. This relatively obscure report does not mention if the first 6 kicks were saved but it must be assumed that the referee would not have continued to penalise the opposition if they had already found the net. The event is confirmed by a reply in a readers’ letters column in the “Daily Mail” 22/1/1992. It suggested Kilmarnock hold the record for the number of re-taken penalty kicks. Difficult to disagree with that! The Kilmarnock “taker” was left-half Whyte. I guess Roughie wasn’t great at penalties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted December 8, 2020 Report Share Posted December 8, 2020 Tim Krul, the current Norwich keeper, was brought on as a sub in the 120th minute of Holland v Costa Rica 2014 world cup quarter final. Krul is seen as being a penalty expert, hence the substitution. He saved 2 penalty kicks to help the Dutch get to the semi finals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted December 8, 2020 Report Share Posted December 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Lenziejag said: I guess Roughie wasn’t great at penalties I don’t recall him saving that many. I remember a pal of mine always saying he went down on one knee usually the opposite way from the ball was hit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a f kincaid Posted December 9, 2020 Report Share Posted December 9, 2020 Rough faced 89 penalties and saved 17 (19%). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted December 9, 2020 Report Share Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, a f kincaid said: Rough faced 89 penalties and saved 17 (19%). That’s a lot of penalties awarded against us! or is that his career total? Edited December 9, 2020 by jaggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted December 9, 2020 Report Share Posted December 9, 2020 Anyone know Rough's international penalty stats? Saw him often play for Scotland but struggling to mind any penalties he faced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a f kincaid Posted December 9, 2020 Report Share Posted December 9, 2020 3 hours ago, jaggy said: That’s a lot of penalties awarded against us! or is that his career total? No, only with Thistle. 628 appearances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted December 9, 2020 Report Share Posted December 9, 2020 14 minutes ago, a f kincaid said: No, only with Thistle. 628 appearances. Thanks, so a penalty conceded every 7 games. Is that a normal average? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted December 9, 2020 Report Share Posted December 9, 2020 27 minutes ago, jaggy said: Thanks, so a penalty conceded every 7 games. Is that a normal average? It depends on whether you are playing for or against the old firm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael m Posted December 9, 2020 Report Share Posted December 9, 2020 4 hours ago, a f kincaid said: Rough faced 89 penalties and saved 17 (19%). I’m sure he had a terrific season for penalty saves - maybe ‘79 including one from Murdo MacLeod in which he made a million great saves! I think it was the game Jim Melrose equalised in the last minute Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a f kincaid Posted December 9, 2020 Report Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, jaggy said: Thanks, so a penalty conceded every 7 games. Is that a normal average? Pretty much. 6585 played, 771 penalties conceded, 8.5:1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted December 9, 2020 Report Share Posted December 9, 2020 2 hours ago, jaggy said: Thanks, so a penalty conceded every 7 games. Is that a normal average? We don’t get one every 7 games, if I remember right we went about 2 seasons not getting one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elevenone Posted December 9, 2020 Report Share Posted December 9, 2020 18 minutes ago, Norgethistle said: We don’t get one every 7 games, if I remember right we went about 2 seasons not getting one In hindsight maybe no bad thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted December 9, 2020 Report Share Posted December 9, 2020 20 minutes ago, elevenone said: In hindsight maybe no bad thing. To be fair at times we don’t get in the opposition box every 7 weeks 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a f kincaid Posted December 9, 2020 Report Share Posted December 9, 2020 Sorry, my mistake. Forgot to take off the seasons before penalties were introduced. Correct figures are 806 conceded and 6176 matches played. Roughly 7.7:1. The longest spell without conceding a penalty is 62 matches (1926-27). Norgethistle I think you are referring to penalties awarded. The longest spell without getting one is 164 matches (1895-96). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted December 9, 2020 Report Share Posted December 9, 2020 We have been awarded a penalty in our last 3home league games. Scoring only 1. How crucial will this prove at the end of the season ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted December 9, 2020 Report Share Posted December 9, 2020 43 minutes ago, Auld Jag said: We have been awarded a penalty in our last 3home league games. Scoring only 1. How crucial will this prove at the end of the season ? Yep - those two misses have probably cost us 4 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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