Fearchar Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 On 12/9/2023 at 10:47 AM, exiledjag said: ...We need ... Defensive midfield player, (Docherty)... On 12/9/2023 at 10:58 AM, lady-isobel-barnett said: ...our ball winning ability is poor and picking up second and/or intercepting balls more to our taste.... On 12/9/2023 at 3:15 PM, King Kenny said: ...Williams unlucky to be dropped, perhaps he deserves a start over Muirhead in his favoured position in the next game... The thing that has impressed me about Williams is his ability to steal the ball from opponents. Could he be the defensive midfielder that is needed? As a player used to defending, he might fulfil this role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exiledjag Posted December 12, 2023 Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 Williams as our defensive midfielder - totally agree as I suggested this very role for him a few weeks ago. He is big and strong and quite a few posters on this site have suggested, due to his recent form, he is a footballer! Worth a try at least in training andbpractice games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted December 12, 2023 Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 On 12/10/2023 at 5:45 PM, lady-isobel-barnett said: Go back 6 months and I'd have been delighted to think we would be in third place. In all honesty I'd have been pleased to be third bottom. I worried about having to rebuild our side and introduce the younger lads to regular first team football. I doubt there'll be any complacency within the squad. In fact I sense we're a bit the other way, running hot and cold confidence wise. Absolutely this. I saw this season as being a transitional one for Dools to bed in his blend of experience & youth. We are ahead of where I thought we would be 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert's Ghost Posted December 13, 2023 Report Share Posted December 13, 2023 And they do it again. 95th-minute winner. 11 out of 11 1-goal wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeanieD Posted December 13, 2023 Report Share Posted December 13, 2023 Impressive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted December 13, 2023 Report Share Posted December 13, 2023 Being a Raith Rovers fan this season looks like great fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpj Posted December 14, 2023 Report Share Posted December 14, 2023 Crazy statistic! If games ended after 75 mins we would be top and Raith 8th 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laukat Posted December 14, 2023 Report Share Posted December 14, 2023 3 hours ago, dpj said: Crazy statistic! If games ended after 75 mins we would be top and Raith 8th Its a stat that tends to re-enforce what we see on a Saturday i.e. that we like to sit on leads in the last 15 minutes rather than taking forward the age old strategy that attack is the best form of defence. It would be interesting to see a similar table of who has lost points from a winning position no matter when the opposition goal was scored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted December 14, 2023 Report Share Posted December 14, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, laukat said: Its a stat that tends to re-enforce what we see on a Saturday i.e. that we like to sit on leads in the last 15 minutes rather than taking forward the age old strategy that attack is the best form of defence. I'm sure you're correct. The only other reason could be fitness/stamina issues. Tend to think that won't be the case, especially with so many subs these days. Tho' of course if you're backing off, ceding possession, you tend to tire faster than a team with the lion's share of the ball. Edited December 14, 2023 by lady-isobel-barnett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted December 14, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2023 29 minutes ago, lady-isobel-barnett said: I'm sure you're correct. The only other reason could be fitness/stamina issues. Tend to think that won't be the case, especially with so many subs these days. Tho' of course if you're backing off, ceding possession, you tend to tire faster than a team with the lion's share of the ball. Was thinking that it would be either fitness or that the subs are not fitting in to the team adequately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted December 15, 2023 Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 You have to admire them as it can't be just luck. I expect that part of it is mentality and having done it before they can do it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Gekantawa Posted December 15, 2023 Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 20 hours ago, laukat said: Its a stat that tends to re-enforce what we see on a Saturday i.e. that we like to sit on leads in the last 15 minutes rather than taking forward the age old strategy that attack is the best form of defence. It would be interesting to see a similar table of who has lost points from a winning position no matter when the opposition goal was scored. I don't think it is a conscious decision to sit on leads though. I think it's a consequence of having no decent defensive midfielder. This means that, when the opposition are chasing the game, we struggle to break up the play and hold on to the ball, never mind mount meaningful attacks. Connected to this, is the simple fact that we concede far too many goals full stop. This means that we are bound to lose goals in games late on regardless of anything else. In addition, one thing that needs to be taken into consideration when looking at the 7 points lost in the final 15, compared to the other teams, is just how often the other teams were in a position to lose points in the final 15 to begin with. I mean, Arbroath losing only 2 points in the final 15 would mean little if they only had gone into the final 15 level twice and behind the remaining games (to give an extreme hypothetical example). Just to be clear, I've no idea how much the other teams had to lose going into the final 15. In any case, hopefully these problems will be satisfactorily addressed in the coming window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Gekantawa Posted December 15, 2023 Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 5 hours ago, Dick Dastardly said: You have to admire them as it can't be just luck. I expect that part of it is mentality and having done it before they can do it again. A lot of the time, it's simply being the better side. Holding on against superior opposition is difficult, which is why top teams regularly score last minute winners/equalisers. Raith and DU seem to be clearly ahead of the rest, at least for now. Also, (connected to your point of "having done it before they can do it again") is the effect on the opposition. When you build up a reputation for late goals, this will also prey on the minds of the opposition, possibly making them a little more prone to error/panic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted December 15, 2023 Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 As long as I can remember we’ve always sat back on leads late on. I’m not sure if we do it more than any other teams at our level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted December 15, 2023 Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 44 minutes ago, jaggy said: As long as I can remember we’ve always sat back on leads late on. I’m not sure if we do it more than any other teams at our level Maybe getting involved in semantics. Even the best of teams will want to defend a lead, insomuch as they'll "sit back" and try to see a game out. It's more to the point we don't do it well. Many teams may well back off, even defend deep to protect a lead. But it's what they do with the ball once they gain possession. I doubt it's in any manual to immediately punt the ball back to your opponents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert's Ghost Posted December 15, 2023 Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 4 hours ago, jaggy said: As long as I can remember we’ve always sat back on leads late on. I’m not sure if we do it more than any other teams at our level We did it last week v Airdrie, and got away with it. But only because Todorov missed a sitter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted December 15, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 2 hours ago, Albert's Ghost said: We did it last week v Airdrie, and got away with it. But only because Todorov missed a sitter. Airdrie are the only team in league whose result at 75 minutes was the same at full time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted December 16, 2023 Report Share Posted December 16, 2023 4 hours ago, Lenziejag said: Airdrie are the only team in league whose result at 75 minutes was the same at full time. Doesn't that then also apply to whoever they were playing at the time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted December 16, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2023 5 hours ago, Jaggernaut said: Doesn't that then also apply to whoever they were playing at the time? In all their league games this season. If they were winning after 75 minutes they won, if drawing they drew and if losing they lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted December 16, 2023 Report Share Posted December 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Lenziejag said: In all their league games this season. If they were winning after 75 minutes they won, if drawing they drew and if losing they lost. Ah, got it! Interesting stat.... Suggests predictability! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted December 16, 2023 Report Share Posted December 16, 2023 In days gone by I can remember St Johnstone and Ross County being very effective in managing 1-0 leads against us. Once they scored it was like game over. I cannot say that they sat back on leads but they just killed the game so that nothing interesting happened and Thistle could never build up any head of steam or get the fans excited and engaged. This was combined with extreme time wasting, going down with injuries, collapsing whenever touched and retaining the ball at the corner flag for minutes at a time. These are all things Thistle have never been any good at, so I think it is always better for us to play constructively just as if we were not winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert's Ghost Posted December 16, 2023 Report Share Posted December 16, 2023 On 12/13/2023 at 9:38 PM, Albert's Ghost said: 11 out of 11 1-goal wins. Make that 12 out of 12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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