PTFC1942 Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 Quite a few people say that Doolan is a great guy. If he was a great guy he would quit as he is only hurting the team. Quit now!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 13 minutes ago, PTFC1942 said: Quite a few people say that Doolan is a great guy. If he was a great guy he would quit as he is only hurting the team. Quit now!!! Bore off. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 2 hours ago, PTFC1942 said: Quite a few people say that Doolan is a great guy. If he was a great guy he would quit as he is only hurting the team. Quit now!!! One thing's for sure. You are not a great guy posting that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End 2 Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 12 hours ago, Barney Rubble said: One thing's for sure. You are not a great guy posting that. Why is he not a great guy? He is entitled to his opinion. I would have worded it differently certainly. His time is up. We have stood utterly still this season and we have signed a few players. He is proving he cannot work out what it is that needs to be done to improve things. And now 5 players out ( one on a 3 year deal??). And looking like none in. Looks as if they accept that the title is gone and they might have enough to scrape fourth so no need to bring anyone else in, thereby saving money. It's been a sub standard season and we are showing no signs of improving under Doolan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 2 minutes ago, Garscube Road End 2 said: Why is he not a great guy? He is entitled to his opinion. I would have worded it differently certainly. His time is up. We have stood utterly still this season and we have signed a few players. He is proving he cannot work out what it is that needs to be done to improve things. And now 5 players out ( one on a 3 year deal??). And looking like none in. Looks as if they accept that the title is gone and they might have enough to scrape fourth so no need to bring anyone else in, thereby saving money. It's been a sub standard season and we are showing no signs of improving under Doolan. Therein lay the issue GRE. It's one thing having an opinion on Kris Doolan's abilities (or lack of) as a manager. Everybody's entitled to that, However, there can be no justification for setting fire to his character. That's not on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 2 hours ago, Garscube Road End 2 said: Why is he not a great guy? He is entitled to his opinion. I would have worded it differently certainly. His time is up. We have stood utterly still this season and we have signed a few players. He is proving he cannot work out what it is that needs to be done to improve things. And now 5 players out ( one on a 3 year deal??). And looking like none in. Looks as if they accept that the title is gone and they might have enough to scrape fourth so no need to bring anyone else in, thereby saving money. It's been a sub standard season and we are showing no signs of improving under Doolan. You know what they say, though. Once you cross the white line there isn’t much the manager can do. The players need to react to what is happening on the pitch. They need to have a bit more intelligence on the park. That’s what is letting us down. Plenty of talent, but they aren’t getting themselves in the right space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 Personally I think he deserves more time to consolidate a play-off place. He has a lot of credit in the bank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 55 minutes ago, Lenziejag said: You know what they say, though. Once you cross the white line there isn’t much the manager can do. The players need to react to what is happening on the pitch. They need to have a bit more intelligence on the park. That’s what is letting us down. Plenty of talent, but they aren’t getting themselves in the right space. That would apply to any manager at any time in the History of Football - its the Managers job to motivate - train - organise & ensure the Players follow his GamePlan - if that's not happening - ( bearing in mind he recruited these Players & picked the Team ) its a Management Problem Dools took great Credit in getting "more out of McCalls Squad " - but this is his Squad - his Players - his Tactics - his responsibility Football Management is a results business - if the Players are not Playing for the Manager - it indicates there is a problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 27 minutes ago, sandy said: Personally I think he deserves more time to consolidate a play-off place. He has a lot of credit in the bank. As long as he is sitting 4th - I would agree - as we are not catching the three teams above us If we drop to 5th - we have to change If we get to the Playoffs - and don't go up - that's time for a change We are regressing each Season and its not due to not being supported with Squad Budget & resources Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laukat Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 Yesterday we were in the main second best to Morton. I don't think there's a single player in the Morton team that we would want in ours (maybe Iain Wilson if he wasn't made of chocolate). So all the talk of lack of signings in January doesn't cover up the fact that Doolan can't get a very decent squad to play to their potential. If Doolan is to stay he needs to show he can get a team performance out of what he has. To my mind Falkirk next week is a bit of a free hit to try something different. If we put out the team we normally play then we will get beat or at best draw if Falkirk forget where the goal is. So I would hope Doolan makes a few changes. If he doesn't it just furthers the belief that he is out of ideas and too loyal/too close to players who have just not done it this season. Also why would you give him the summer transfer window if he can't get the players he has currently brought in to perform? If the game finishes 2-1 yesterday I think the calls for Doolan to go would be significant. Perhaps Doolan should look to those that got him out of jail yesterday? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 24 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said: As long as he is sitting 4th - I would agree - as we are not catching the three teams above us If we drop to 5th - we have to change If we get to the Playoffs - and don't go up - that's time for a change We are regressing each Season and its not due to not being supported with Squad Budget & resources I think that getting into the playoff places year in year out is a good place to be.Getting to the playoffs used to be a rarity. We regular languished mid table or worse.That point yesterday could turn out to be really important as it keeps them 9 behind.You keep saying the squad budget and resources are there, but we’ve just lost 5 or 6 players in January with no replacements as yet and we couldn’t fill the bench again. That’s not being supported. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 20 minutes ago, laukat said: Yesterday we were in the main second best to Morton. I don't think there's a single player in the Morton team that we would want in ours (maybe Iain Wilson if he wasn't made of chocolate). So all the talk of lack of signings in January doesn't cover up the fact that Doolan can't get a very decent squad to play to their potential. If Doolan is to stay he needs to show he can get a team performance out of what he has. To my mind Falkirk next week is a bit of a free hit to try something different. If we put out the team we normally play then we will get beat or at best draw if Falkirk forget where the goal is. So I would hope Doolan makes a few changes. If he doesn't it just furthers the belief that he is out of ideas and too loyal/too close to players who have just not done it this season. Also why would you give him the summer transfer window if he can't get the players he has currently brought in to perform? If the game finishes 2-1 yesterday I think the calls for Doolan to go would be significant. Perhaps Doolan should look to those that got him out of jail yesterday? Chalmers and O’Reilly ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dl1971 Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 One of two things is going to happen. We somehow get promoted ( difficult to imagine based on what we have seen so far this season ) and he stays. Or we don't get promoted ( likely ) and he won't get a new contract. Clearly the option of replacing him now and hoping for a vast improvement.....has probably been ruled out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 20 minutes ago, Lenziejag said: I think that getting into the playoff places year in year out is a good place to be.Getting to the playoffs used to be a rarity. We regular languished mid table or worse.That point yesterday could turn out to be really important as it keeps them 9 behind.You keep saying the squad budget and resources are there, but we’ve just lost 5 or 6 players in January with no replacements as yet and we couldn’t fill the bench again. That’s not being supported. He had one of the largest Squads in the Division - he had a Budget at least equal to- or larger than the Teams around us - a Budget that was capable of promotion - McCall was sacked for being 10 Points of the League Leader in January - with a Budget £300K less than Dools - as it was deemed enough for promotion ( & McCall got us £250K in the Cup - Keeping us afloat & had his possession's dump in a Bin Bag at the bottom of the Stairs as a thanks ) - So Dools has had plenty of chances by comparision We have not replaced the Players because the Board ( & Fans ) know that we are not going to be in the hunt to win the League - and that 4th is our aim - if we cant finish 4th with the current squad - then its wholesale changes at the Club - not just the Manager If we finish 4th & don't go up then Dools time is up - he has had plenty of chances - the Board were brutal towards McCall - we cannot hang onto this Legend Stuff - if we cant fill the Bench - that's due to poor recruitment To suggest that the point was crucial as it kept Morton from breathing down our necks speaks volumes - they are half our size - we should not have to be concerned about Morton - the comparable Clubs are 10 Points ahead of us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 3 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said: He had one of the largest Squads in the Division - he had a Budget at least equal to- or larger than the Teams around us - a Budget that was capable of promotion - McCall was sacked for being 10 Points of the League Leader in January - with a Budget £300K less than Dools - as it was deemed enough for promotion ( & McCall got us £250K in the Cup - Keeping us afloat & had his possession's dump in a Bin Bag at the bottom of the Stairs as a thanks ) - So Dools has had plenty of chances by comparision We have not replaced the Players because the Board ( & Fans ) know that we are not going to be in the hunt to win the League - and that 4th is our aim - if we cant finish 4th with the current squad - then its wholesale changes at the Club - not just the Manager If we finish 4th & don't go up then Dools time is up - he has had plenty of chances - the Board were brutal towards McCall - we cannot hang onto this Legend Stuff - if we cant fill the Bench - that's due to poor recruitment To suggest that the point was crucial as it kept Morton from breathing down our necks speaks volumes - they are half our size - we should not have to be concerned about Morton - the comparable Clubs are 10 Points ahead of us Love your Ian McCall tinted glasses , we were going nowhere under Ian McCall . It was a downward spiral when he left and we should isolate the Rangers game which incidentally we didn’t win . Doolan came in and galvanised the Club with results , increased the Supporter base and his team at the start was one of the best I’ve seen in years . We didn’t quite make the Premier League ( we should have ) but there is no doubt if we had we would back in the Championship already. At this moment we haven’t got the resources or infrastructure to compete at that level just now , if you look at the changes made at Dundee United after they won promotion. They basically started from scratch as they knew the team that they had couldn’t compete in the Premier League, that takes a lot of money This isn’t just a Kris Doolan problem but the Club as a whole. Re the Budget for this year , I don’t believe that it was financed for a title winning squad , far too many loan signings, first year apprentices to make up the numbers which ended up with far too many players and not enough quality The Club as a whole need to have a vision not just the Football Dept If we’re going to have an Academy for example it has got to be self sufficient and give players a pathway to the First Team and that has got to be a prerequisite or it’s pointless financing an Academy Getting PTFC as a Club to a better level has got to be a collective on and off the park . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 4 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said: He had one of the largest Squads in the Division - he had a Budget at least equal to- or larger than the Teams around us - a Budget that was capable of promotion - McCall was sacked for being 10 Points of the League Leader in January - with a Budget £300K less than Dools - as it was deemed enough for promotion ( & McCall got us £250K in the Cup - Keeping us afloat & had his possession's dump in a Bin Bag at the bottom of the Stairs as a thanks ) - So Dools has had plenty of chances by comparision We have not replaced the Players because the Board ( & Fans ) know that we are not going to be in the hunt to win the League - and that 4th is our aim - if we cant finish 4th with the current squad - then its wholesale changes at the Club - not just the Manager If we finish 4th & don't go up then Dools time is up - he has had plenty of chances - the Board were brutal towards McCall - we cannot hang onto this Legend Stuff - if we cant fill the Bench - that's due to poor recruitment To suggest that the point was crucial as it kept Morton from breathing down our necks speaks volumes - they are half our size - we should not have to be concerned about Morton - the comparable Clubs are 10 Points ahead of us You talk absolute rubbish. We can’t fill the bench because we have players injured and have just let a bunch of players go. If this is Doolan’s decision I would be amazed. At the very least we need an upgrade on Mitchell who has conceded 9 in 4 games. We aren’t going to finish 4th if we have to score 3 or more to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 3 minutes ago, Lenziejag said: You talk absolute rubbish. We can’t fill the bench because we have players injured and have just let a bunch of players go. If this is Doolan’s decision I would be amazed. At the very least we need an upgrade on Mitchell who has conceded 9 in 4 games. We aren’t going to finish 4th if we have to score 3 or more to win. I never said it was Doolans decision - he blew his budget & the Board are clearly not giving him anymore cash ( as we are running at a forecasted 280K loss ) - the Board are clearly working on the assumption that we should have adequate resources to finish 4th ( which we should ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 1 hour ago, jlsarmy said: Love your Ian McCall tinted glasses , we were going nowhere under Ian McCall . It was a downward spiral when he left and we should isolate the Rangers game which incidentally we didn’t win . Doolan came in and galvanised the Club with results , increased the Supporter base and his team at the start was one of the best I’ve seen in years . We didn’t quite make the Premier League ( we should have ) but there is no doubt if we had we would back in the Championship already. At this moment we haven’t got the resources or infrastructure to compete at that level just now , if you look at the changes made at Dundee United after they won promotion. They basically started from scratch as they knew the team that they had couldn’t compete in the Premier League, that takes a lot of money This isn’t just a Kris Doolan problem but the Club as a whole. Re the Budget for this year , I don’t believe that it was financed for a title winning squad , far too many loan signings, first year apprentices to make up the numbers which ended up with far too many players and not enough quality The Club as a whole need to have a vision not just the Football Dept If we’re going to have an Academy for example it has got to be self sufficient and give players a pathway to the First Team and that has got to be a prerequisite or it’s pointless financing an Academy Getting PTFC as a Club to a better level has got to be a collective on and off the park . My comparison to McCall was that he was sacked in a similar position to where we are now The Board have stated ( as they did under McCall ) that we have a title winning budget On the infrastructure stuff Academy etc - I agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laukat Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 If Milne is away then surely that means the board are giving up on any belief that Doolan is going to do anything in the playoffs? If the board have no faith then why continue with him? Why not get a new manager in now and give him a few months ahead of summer to try and figure out what needs to be done in the summer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 5 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said: My comparison to McCall was that he was sacked in a similar position to where we are now The Board have stated ( as they did under McCall ) that we have a title winning budget On the infrastructure stuff Academy etc - I agree Not sure any Board would come out and say we have a title winning budget at least not publicly. Re Iain McCall , Doolan has still got a bit to go , he’s still got a buffer of 7 points between 4th place and 5th place Not looking promising though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 1 hour ago, jlsarmy said: Love your Ian McCall tinted glasses , we were going nowhere under Ian McCall . It was a downward spiral when he left and we should isolate the Rangers game which incidentally we didn’t win . Doolan came in and galvanised the Club with results , increased the Supporter base and his team at the start was one of the best I’ve seen in years . We didn’t quite make the Premier League ( we should have ) but there is no doubt if we had we would back in the Championship already. At this moment we haven’t got the resources or infrastructure to compete at that level just now , if you look at the changes made at Dundee United after they won promotion. They basically started from scratch as they knew the team that they had couldn’t compete in the Premier League, that takes a lot of money This isn’t just a Kris Doolan problem but the Club as a whole. Re the Budget for this year , I don’t believe that it was financed for a title winning squad , far too many loan signings, first year apprentices to make up the numbers which ended up with far too many players and not enough quality The Club as a whole need to have a vision not just the Football Dept If we’re going to have an Academy for example it has got to be self sufficient and give players a pathway to the First Team and that has got to be a prerequisite or it’s pointless financing an Academy Getting PTFC as a Club to a better level has got to be a collective on and off the park . The Ian McCall glasses is not alone. There are plenty wearing kris Doolan glasses and this he is a great manager and cannot see how much of a struggle it is currently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 15 minutes ago, laukat said: If Milne is away then surely that means the board are giving up on any belief that Doolan is going to do anything in the playoffs? If the board have no faith then why continue with him? Why not get a new manager in now and give him a few months ahead of summer to try and figure out what needs to be done in the summer? He’s not done anything in the playoffs - people keep saying how well he has done in the playoffs but success is getting us promoted. Being 3-0 up and throwing it away in 20 minutes is not an actual success Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laukat Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 12 minutes ago, Third Lanark said: He’s not done anything in the playoffs - people keep saying how well he has done in the playoffs but success is getting us promoted. Being 3-0 up and throwing it away in 20 minutes is not an actual success I agree, to my mind there's a lot of people giving him time because he scored a lot goals for us and he managed to get us past a Queens Park team that were running on fumes and a one man Ayr team who didn't have that one man for almost the entirety of both playoff games only to come up short against a Ross County team who had a bit of an injury crisis. Most choose to ignore in 22/23 that beating relegated Hamilton away and a Raith team that could only list 12 outfield players meant we finished 4th instead of 2nd. Equally forgotten is that we had Ayr and Dundee at home that if we had won could have had us on the way to the title. They also ignore that he stumbled into a winning formation due to Bannigan getting injured and having no real other options that to play 4-4-2 with Tiffoney alongside Graham. I was willing to give him some leeway last season as our finances were a problem when he was assembling his squad. However this season finances have not been the issue. Its just been really poor recruitment, tactics and coaching. We now have probably the oldest squad in the league. All the players that looked prospects and mainly signed by McCall have gone. Those under contract for next season We have a major rebuild ahead in the summer and I've seen nothing to suggest Doolan knows how to do that. I desperately wanted Doolan to be a success but I'm just not seeing much to make me think he will. Going to Firhill has becomes a chore this season as we are a hard watch, we will quickly lose some of the increased number of fans unless we change course 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 1 hour ago, jlsarmy said: Not sure any Board would come out and say we have a title winning budget at least not publicly. Re Iain McCall , Doolan has still got a bit to go , he’s still got a buffer of 7 points between 4th place and 5th place Not looking promising though They did at the Q&A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 1 hour ago, laukat said: If Milne is away then surely that means the board are giving up on any belief that Doolan is going to do anything in the playoffs? If the board have no faith then why continue with him? Why not get a new manager in now and give him a few months ahead of summer to try and figure out what needs to be done in the summer? 2 Reasons as long as we are still in 4th then we could still get promoted if we are still in 4th and we sack him - we are forced to pick Brian Graham rather than replace in the close season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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