scotty Posted February 16 Report Share Posted February 16 1 minute ago, Big Col said: I just don’t get why some people appear to think that appointing Brian Graham as manager is the answer. Can someone please explain it. Not sure many people look at it as " the answer", more of an inevitability due to lack of finance. Doolan got the job because he was already employed by the club therefore was a cheaper option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laukat Posted February 16 Report Share Posted February 16 12 minutes ago, Big Col said: I just don’t get why some people appear to think that appointing Brian Graham as manager is the answer. Can someone please explain it. I don't see it as the answer. I see it as we need someone to take interim charge and he's the only one in the squad capable of doing that whilst we do a proper recruitment However I think most see it as the way the club will go as we tend to go for ex-players and equally its probably the easiest/laziest way which again the club has form for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted February 16 Report Share Posted February 16 17 minutes ago, Big Col said: I just don’t get why some people appear to think that appointing Brian Graham as manager is the answer. Can someone please explain it. I’ve not seen anyone post that Graham is the answer. Most reckon it’s inevitable he would be interim and 1 or 2 wins in a few games would likely lead to a permanent appointment as we have form for doing that. Dools, Archie, McNamara even as far back as Whyte & Britton all followed that path Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted February 16 Report Share Posted February 16 We need someone to take over as an interim until such time as this new director of football can be appointed and offer someone the permanent role. There are no other obvious candidates as an interim manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljaggo Posted February 16 Report Share Posted February 16 Surely the idea of a Director of Football has bitten the dust given our parlous finances, and the more pressing short term problems on the field. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erty13 Posted February 16 Report Share Posted February 16 You just need a manager who is good at recruitment. The top three managers in the division don't need one. We are only considering one as Doolan is very poor at recruitment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted February 16 Report Share Posted February 16 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dick Dastardly said: We need someone to take over as an interim until such time as this new director of football can be appointed and offer someone the permanent role. There are no other obvious candidates as an interim manager. I am not an expert on who coaches the various academy and youth squads and who is employed by Thistle and who is "freelance", but are experienced ex-players such as Craig Dargo and/or Mark Wilson not on the books? They should still recommend respect, but perhaps provide a calmer and less "combustible" alternative to Brian Graham as interim manager. If Graham were approached as player-manager, he would have to (at least temporarily) relinquish women's team responsibilities as surely he (unlike Douglas Ross) cannot do 3 jobs at once. That would create further complications. Edited February 16 by partickthedog Clarification that I am referring to an interim manager appointment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted February 16 Report Share Posted February 16 29 minutes ago, eljaggo said: Surely the idea of a Director of Football has bitten the dust given our parlous finances, and the more pressing short term problems on the field. Yes, I do not want to be a mini-JJ, but one area where I do have some common cause is a healthy scepticism as to whether multiple and apparently expanding off-field appointments are helpful in achieving on-field success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Col Posted February 16 Report Share Posted February 16 1 hour ago, eljaggo said: Surely the idea of a Director of Football has bitten the dust given our parlous finances, and the more pressing short term problems on the field. This has to be one of the worst ideas ever and whoever in the board room suggested it needs a serious reality check. A 20% reduction in the playing budget but money for a totally unnecessary position? I know where I’d rather the money was spent. Plus it’ll reduce the field of interested parties in the managers role, as some managers won’t work in that environment. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted February 16 Report Share Posted February 16 There is speculation and therefore it may be rubbish that Andrew Barrowman who left Raith last week is going to be our new sporting director . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 11 hours ago, partickthedog said: I am not an expert on who coaches the various academy and youth squads and who is employed by Thistle and who is "freelance", but are experienced ex-players such as Craig Dargo and/or Mark Wilson not on the books? They should still recommend respect, but perhaps provide a calmer and less "combustible" alternative to Brian Graham as interim manager. If Graham were approached as player-manager, he would have to (at least temporarily) relinquish women's team responsibilities as surely he (unlike Douglas Ross) cannot do 3 jobs at once. That would create further complications. Isn’t he already doing 3 jobs, as he has a coaching role for the men’s team too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 9 hours ago, javeajag said: There is speculation and therefore it may be rubbish that Andrew Barrowman who left Raith last week is going to be our new sporting director . I think that was knocked on the head as the closing date for applications is not till the end of February. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljaggo Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 16 minutes ago, Third Lanark said: I think that was knocked on the head as the closing date for applications is not till the end of February. Are you seriously saying that we are still going to appoint a sporting director? That would be madness! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 3 minutes ago, eljaggo said: Are you seriously saying that we are still going to appoint a sporting director? That would be madness! Why ? What has changed since they announced the position to apply for ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Legend Blows Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 21 hours ago, Big Col said: I just don’t get why some people appear to think that appointing Brian Graham as manager is the answer. Can someone please explain it. For me it's not the answer but an inevitability when Doolan gets his jotters. Those in charge are so blinkered to BBG that I doubt they'll even consider other candidates. Cheap lazy option which sums Thistle up in recent times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 I assume some of the cheap lazy options that have been talked about are Archie, Doolan and potentially Graham. Even although I see them all as different situations, it is hard to argue against the eventual permanent appointment of Archie and Doolan. As an interim, Archie was part of a group that had been reasonably successful upto that point, the manager had left(not sacked) abruptly. It seemed pretty obvious to appoint him as interim. And then he started winning games away from home, which we had stopped doing under Macnamara. Doolan was definitely out of the blue as interim as he had only been in the door with the academy for a few weeks and probably had had little to do with the 1st team. But again his results merited the permanent role. I actually think it is a bit harder to justify Graham as interim as he has a coaching role with the 1st team and is team captain so has a fair amount of responsibility to where we find ourselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erty13 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 57 minutes ago, The Legend Blows said: For me it's not the answer but an inevitability when Doolan gets his jotters. Those in charge are so blinkered to BBG that I doubt they'll even consider other candidates. Cheap lazy option which sums Thistle up in recent times. Where the club have screwed up and played into Brian Grahams hands is the long contract extension he was given as a player. The only way to get him off the playing books would be to appoint him as a manager. Until this point we will either be a team with very little movement upfront, or not being a club that can attract other strikers as he will always insist on playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 19 minutes ago, erty13 said: Where the club have screwed up and played into Brian Grahams hands is the long contract extension he was given as a player. The only way to get him off the playing books would be to appoint him as a manager. Until this point we will either be a team with very little movement upfront, or not being a club that can attract other strikers as he will always insist on playing. Sorry, but why do you want the only player we have who is capable of scoring goals to be off the books ? That sounds like suicide ! I have no issues with Graham starting every game provided he keeps scoring at his current rate. Him starting is not an issue at this time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, Lenziejag said: I assume some of the cheap lazy options that have been talked about are Archie, Doolan and potentially Graham. Even although I see them all as different situations, it is hard to argue against the eventual permanent appointment of Archie and Doolan. As an interim, Archie was part of a group that had been reasonably successful upto that point, the manager had left(not sacked) abruptly. It seemed pretty obvious to appoint him as interim. And then he started winning games away from home, which we had stopped doing under Macnamara. Doolan was definitely out of the blue as interim as he had only been in the door with the academy for a few weeks and probably had had little to do with the 1st team. But again his results merited the permanent role. I actually think it is a bit harder to justify Graham as interim as he has a coaching role with the 1st team and is team captain so has a fair amount of responsibility to where we find ourselves. Just to add - the Board were looking at candidates when Archie took over as interim - but he went on a very solid run of games - so he earned his permanent appointment ( eventually got us to Top 6 in the Premier ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 51 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said: Just to add - the Board were looking at candidates when Archie took over as interim - but he went on a very solid run of games - so he earned his permanent appointment ( eventually got us to Top 6 in the Premier ) I would argue the same for Doolan who went on a tremendous run that got us to within minutes of promotion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 2 hours ago, The Legend Blows said: For me it's not the answer but an inevitability when Doolan gets his jotters. Those in charge are so blinkered to BBG that I doubt they'll even consider other candidates. Cheap lazy option which sums Thistle up in recent times. I’m not sure if they use their common sense that Brian Graham would even be an option . First of all BG still wants to be a player for at least a couple of years , not sure the player/ manager role works , workload in my opinion would be too much and I don’t think he would want to stop playing. Secondly, as the “ Woman’s Team “ are part of our Club , not sure they would want to part with BG as their manager . So worst case scenario, they give BG the job , it doesn’t work out and we lose BG as a player as well . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 31 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: I would argue the same for Doolan who went on a tremendous run that got us to within minutes of promotion. Not Quite - we stumbled into the Play offs on the last Day of the Season by the Skin of our Teeth and other results went in our Favour - granted the Play Offs were an great run But three Goals up - 18 Minutes to go ? Thats a Carcrash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 48 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said: Not Quite - we stumbled into the Play offs on the last Day of the Season by the Skin of our Teeth and other results went in our Favour - granted the Play Offs were an great run But three Goals up - 18 Minutes to go ? Thats a Carcrash Not sure it is quite true to say we stumbled into the playoffs. We were in 3rd place as we went into the last game and I think during that 90 minutes we were in every position between 2nd and 6th. It was a very close title race that season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 8 minutes ago, Lenziejag said: Not sure it is quite true to say we stumbled into the playoffs. We were in 3rd place as we went into the last game and I think during that 90 minutes we were in every position between 2nd and 6th. It was a very close title race that season. Correct - last game - dependant on other results - could have been 3rd to 8th - finished 4th stumbled - scraped in - hung on ? We went from 2 points of 4th to just 4th on the last day of the Season ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 12 minutes ago, Lenziejag said: Not sure it is quite true to say we stumbled into the playoffs. We were in 3rd place as we went into the last game and I think during that 90 minutes we were in every position between 2nd and 6th. It was a very close title race that season. I think that day every single club bar Raith Rovers had something to play for that day. Was an incredible situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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