Doolan

[laukat]

4 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

2 Reasons 

as long as we are still in 4th then we could still get promoted 

if we are still in 4th and we sack him - we are forced to pick Brian Graham rather than replace in the close season 

Is Doolan not on a rolling contract? If so would we not be better to issue his notice now?

Who do we think is going to be available in the summers that's any good and for whom we wouldn't have to pay to release him from their current club?

Summer is a major rebuild of the squad and we will probably be working with a budget that will have us at best looking for a playoff space but won't have much over the 9th placed budget so surely better sense to get someone in early

The board have surely written off this season if they are letting Milne go in this window

[Jordanhill Jag]

19 minutes ago, laukat said:

Is Doolan not on a rolling contract? If so would we not be better to issue his notice now?

Who do we think is going to be available in the summers that's any good and for whom we wouldn't have to pay to release him from their current club?

Summer is a major rebuild of the squad and we will probably be working with a budget that will have us at best looking for a playoff space but won't have much over the 9th placed budget so surely better sense to get someone in early

The board have surely written off this season if they are letting Milne go in this window

Yes he is - but if we sack him now -we are forced to give the job to Brian Graham - if he stays in 4th and we go up we are not forced into appointing someone with no experience  

[Barney Rubble]

2 hours ago, Third Lanark said:

He’s not done anything in the playoffs - people keep saying how well he has done in the playoffs but success is getting us promoted.  Being 3-0 up and throwing it away in 20 minutes is not an actual success 

Remind me - where did McCall ever get us in the play-offs??

[Third Lanark]

1 hour ago, Barney Rubble said:

Remind me - where did McCall ever get us in the play-offs??

Same as Doolan - he failed to get us promoted.  We were right to part company with McCall- although it should not have been done on the day of the Rangers game. It should have been left to a day or so after. 

Edited February 2 by Third Lanark

[jlsarmy]

4 hours ago, laukat said:

Is Doolan not on a rolling contract? If so would we not be better to issue his notice now?

Who do we think is going to be available in the summers that's any good and for whom we wouldn't have to pay to release him from their current club?

Summer is a major rebuild of the squad and we will probably be working with a budget that will have us at best looking for a playoff space but won't have much over the 9th placed budget so surely better sense to get someone in early

The board have surely written off this season if they are letting Milne go in this window

We shouldn’t be letting any player run down his contract if there is a value there.

We aren’t a cash rich club so it makes sense 

Re Doolan , he’s done ok in the last 2 and 1/2 years , within the top 4 this season he’s competing against David Martindale who has circa 10 years in management and also has the luxury of the parachute payment from the SPFL , John Mcglynn at Falkirk has been in the management side of football for approximately 20 years and has rebuilt Falkirk over the last 3 or 4 years .

Scott Brown has done well at Ayr so far but is getting bank rolled by some of the directors ( Fraser McIntyre ) hence the signing of Curtis Main in the transfer window.

Fourth place is probably where we should be at this moment, who do you think could do a better job within these circumstances.

[Lenziejag]

12 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

I never said it was Doolans decision - he blew his budget & the Board are clearly not giving him anymore cash ( as we are running at a forecasted 280K loss )  - the Board are clearly working on the assumption that we should have adequate resources to finish 4th ( which we should ) 

 

Do you think the board are right ? They were wrong about thinking £300K would win the league. I think they are wrong in thinking this squad, especially keeper, will hold on to 4th. We can’t be running at a £280K loss having offloaded the number of players we have. In my opinion, we are risking whatever the prize money difference is between 4th and 5th is by not upgrading on the keeper. And by not helping out this window, they are certainly muddying the waters as to where to point the finger if we can’t hold on to 4th.

[jlsarmy]

50 minutes ago, Lenziejag said:

Do you think the board are right ? They were wrong about thinking £300K would win the league. I think they are wrong in thinking this squad, especially keeper, will hold on to 4th. We can’t be running at a £280K loss having offloaded the number of players we have. In my opinion, we are risking whatever the prize money difference is between 4th and 5th is by not upgrading on the keeper. And by not helping out this window, they are certainly muddying the waters as to where to point the finger if we can’t hold on to 4th.

Livingston got £300k in a parachute payment this year , £125k next year 

All this nonsense about PTFC having the highest budget is just pie in the sky stuff .

[Jordanhill Jag]

1 hour ago, Lenziejag said:

Do you think the board are right ? They were wrong about thinking £300K would win the league. I think they are wrong in thinking this squad, especially keeper, will hold on to 4th. We can’t be running at a £280K loss having offloaded the number of players we have. In my opinion, we are risking whatever the prize money difference is between 4th and 5th is by not upgrading on the keeper. And by not helping out this window, they are certainly muddying the waters as to where to point the finger if we can’t hold on to 4th.

Yes - I think they are right to offload players - get cash in if we can -stem the losses ( albeit we are going to spend the money on more admin staff ) 

The squad should be capable of holding onto 4th - we don't have a squad problem -we have a management problem 

throwing more money and players at it wont resolve the core problem 

we never had the right people - the infrastructure -or the culture off the park and on it -to win the league - so your correct ref the £300K being wasted 

Our problems are far deeper than just the manager 

[Jordanhill Jag]

32 minutes ago, jlsarmy said:

Livingston got £300k in a parachute payment this year , £125k next year 

All this nonsense about PTFC having the highest budget is just pie in the sky stuff .

I don't think it was said we had the highest budget - it was one that was capable of getting us promoted 

[javeajag]

7 hours ago, jlsarmy said:

We shouldn’t be letting any player run down his contract if there is a value there.

We aren’t a cash rich club so it makes sense 

Re Doolan , he’s done ok in the last 2 and 1/2 years , within the top 4 this season he’s competing against David Martindale who has circa 10 years in management and also has the luxury of the parachute payment from the SPFL , John Mcglynn at Falkirk has been in the management side of football for approximately 20 years and has rebuilt Falkirk over the last 3 or 4 years .

Scott Brown has done well at Ayr so far but is getting bank rolled by some of the directors ( Fraser McIntyre ) hence the signing of Curtis Main in the transfer window.

Fourth place is probably where we should be at this moment, who do you think could do a better job within these circumstances.

Why then did the board 6 weeks ago say that Doolan had a league winning budget …..

[jlsarmy]

3 minutes ago, javeajag said:

Why then did the board 6 weeks ago say that Doolan had a league winning budget …..

Not sure  but if Livingston have a 300k start on us with the parachute payment and Ayr are getting bankrolled just now , it would seem they would have been better to have kept their mouths shut .

We couldn’t compete with Ayr at the start of the season for George Oakley’s wages so I’ve no idea what has changed in reference to the Boards claims 

[javeajag]

9 minutes ago, jlsarmy said:

Not sure  but if Livingston have a 300k start on us with the parachute payment and Ayr are getting bankrolled just now , it would seem they would have been better to have kept their mouths shut .

We couldn’t compete with Ayr at the start of the season for George Oakley’s wages so I’ve no idea what has changed in reference to the Boards claims 

I suspect they think the difference between  the budgets of us Falkirk, Ayr etc is not large enough to mean we can’t compete 

[Third Lanark]

7 hours ago, jlsarmy said:

We shouldn’t be letting any player run down his contract if there is a value there.

We aren’t a cash rich club so it makes sense 

Re Doolan , he’s done ok in the last 2 and 1/2 years , within the top 4 this season he’s competing against David Martindale who has circa 10 years in management and also has the luxury of the parachute payment from the SPFL , John Mcglynn at Falkirk has been in the management side of football for approximately 20 years and has rebuilt Falkirk over the last 3 or 4 years .

Scott Brown has done well at Ayr so far but is getting bank rolled by some of the directors ( Fraser McIntyre ) hence the signing of Curtis Main in the transfer window.

Fourth place is probably where we should be at this moment, who do you think could do a better job within these circumstances.

A bit too much of the red and yellow glasses here.  Ayrs budget is no more than ours. A lot of Ayr expenditure is being spent on the stadium so in future more income etc can be generated.  As for the Oakley comment - complete revisionism as we could more than compete, why do you think Chalmers chose us over Ayr? Oakley did not come to us because he knew he would be playing second fiddle to Brian Graham.  Is it now the stage where we are revising the budget to try and make another excuse for Doolan doing poorly.

Falkirk were massively in debt not so long ago - they have a smaller budget than us though a good manager who has kept the core of his squad together from the league 1 winning team

Fourth place is not where we should be unless we are happy to settle for mediocrity.  We are woeful and that’s on both players and managers.  He has blown a very decent budget, one that despite the attempted revisionism is the highest in the division 

Everyone will have different opinions on who could replace him and do better- though that would be an issue ultimately for the board.  But for what it’s worth I don’t believe the board have the backbone to act against Doolan 

Edited February 3 by Third Lanark

[Third Lanark]

6 minutes ago, javeajag said:

I suspect they think the difference between  the budgets of us Falkirk, Ayr etc is not large enough to mean we can’t compete 

Their budgets are smaller than us - the pretence they have bigger budgets is a bit of revisionism by people wearing Kris Doolan red and yellow glasses on them

[Jaggernaut]

7 hours ago, jlsarmy said:

We shouldn’t be letting any player run down his contract if there is a value there.

We aren’t a cash rich club so it makes sense 

Re Doolan , he’s done ok in the last 2 and 1/2 years , within the top 4 this season he’s competing against David Martindale who has circa 10 years in management and also has the luxury of the parachute payment from the SPFL , John Mcglynn at Falkirk has been in the management side of football for approximately 20 years and has rebuilt Falkirk over the last 3 or 4 years .

Scott Brown has done well at Ayr so far but is getting bank rolled by some of the directors ( Fraser McIntyre ) hence the signing of Curtis Main in the transfer window.

Fourth place is probably where we should be at this moment, who do you think could do a better job within these circumstances.

Sorry, but that's much too sensible a post for this lynching-lustful thread.

[jlsarmy]

6 minutes ago, Third Lanark said:

A bit too much of the red and yellow glasses here.  Ayrs budget is no more than ours. A lot of Ayr expenditure is being spent on the stadium so in future more income etc can be generated.

Falkirk were massively in debt not so long ago - they have a smaller budget though a good manager.

Fourth place is not where we should be unless we are happy to settle for mediocrity.  We are woeful and that’s on both players and managers.  He has blown a very decent budget.

Everyone will have different opinions on who could replace him and do better- though that would be an issue ultimately for the board 

Not sure how everybody knows about other Clubs budgets ,I know for a fact that Curtis Main’s transfer was bankrolled by Ayr directlor Fraser McIntyre , we haven’t got that facility unfortunately, Ayr obviously think they’ve got a real chance and backed their manager 

Our infrastructure is becoming a nonsense now with committees and sub committees, the fans owned Club doesn’t work at our level, not enough of a fan base and no one on the “ Board “ taking any responsibility or accountability for decisions 

[Jaggernaut]

4 minutes ago, jlsarmy said:

Not sure how everybody knows about other Clubs budgets ,I know for a fact that Curtis Main’s transfer was bankrolled by Ayr directlor Fraser McIntyre , we haven’t got that facility unfortunately, Ayr obviously think they’ve got a real chance and backed their manager 

Our infrastructure is becoming a nonsense now with committees and sub committees, the fans owned Club doesn’t work at our level, not enough of a fan base and no one on the “ Board “ taking any responsibility or accountability for decisions 

The board should call a meeting to discuss that criticism, and then, if the outcome is agreement that it is a valid criticism, they should form and appoint a committee to reflect on the issues it raises.

[sandy]

The sale of Milne means the Club Board have chucked it for this season. I really don’t understand if they have a Plan B other than remaining a Championship Club for years to come. 

[Garscube Road End 2]

22 minutes ago, sandy said:

The sale of Milne means the Club Board have chucked it for this season. I really don’t understand if they have a Plan B other than remaining a Championship Club for years to come. 

Agreed. And the way things are looking I'd be worried about League 1 than Premiership. 

[Jordanhill Jag]

4 hours ago, sandy said:

The sale of Milne means the Club Board have chucked it for this season. I really don’t understand if they have a Plan B other than remaining a Championship Club for years to come. 

There is No Plan B - not even sure there was ever a Plan A ? 

[Jordanhill Jag]

9 hours ago, jlsarmy said:

Not sure how everybody knows about other Clubs budgets ,I know for a fact that Curtis Main’s transfer was bankrolled by Ayr directlor Fraser McIntyre , we haven’t got that facility unfortunately, Ayr obviously think they’ve got a real chance and backed their manager 

Our infrastructure is becoming a nonsense now with committees and sub committees, the fans owned Club doesn’t work at our level, not enough of a fan base and no one on the “ Board “ taking any responsibility or accountability for decisions 

In fairness we have had decent personal investment of circa 300K from two Fans directed at the squad - the use of it is obviously under question      

[sandy]

I’m just wondering how much of a say Dools had in departures of Milne and Robinson? If such decisions are being forced through at Board level, I’d be hugely disappointed.

[Jimbo]

27 minutes ago, sandy said:

I’m just wondering how much of a say Dools had in departures of Milne and Robinson? If such decisions are being forced through at Board level, I’d be hugely disappointed.

Milne was our only saleable asset. Given our financial challenges it was a bit of a no brainer & I would hope Doolan understands the logic behind the decision. Re Robinson, I've never considered him to be an effective No 10. Bags of energy but lacks guile. It remains to be seen how Martin performs but IMO it seems a good deal for us.

[lady-isobel-barnett]

18 minutes ago, sandy said:

I’m just wondering how much of a say Dools had in departures of Milne and Robinson? If such decisions are being forced through at Board level, I’d be hugely disappointed.

Not doubting the fact we could've held both players to their contracts. I doubt tho' the Board would've been that keen to match a 2.5 year contract for an attacking player who'll be 33 next month.

The Milne transfer is I hope one where the commercial decision to cash in is overwhelming. Just about every club have to make this sort of decision often enough. Not saying it's the case here, but the longer term aims of a club board don't necessarily correspond with the shorter term aims of a manager. Hopefully there's no friction between these parties in either of these instance.

[javeajag]

17 minutes ago, lady-isobel-barnett said:

Not doubting the fact we could've held both players to their contracts. I doubt tho' the Board would've been that keen to match a 2.5 year contract for an attacking player who'll be 33 next month.

I think Robinson said that doolan said to him he would be offered a new contract but no offer was made. Hamilton then made an offer which was the only one he had.

Edited February 4 by javeajag