allyo Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, Auld Jag said: Agree. This is only a good point if go on a run of undefeated games. By that I mean winning some games . I feel we have now reached the point where draws at home , particularly against the team/s just above us are no use.We really need to win next week or we can forget even play off to stave off relegation. Lets not lose sight of the fact that Caldwell was brought in to get us promoted or at the very least a promotion challenge. I think it is time to lose sight of that. There's no point in judging him, or the team, against what is now an unrealistic target. If we can somehow get out of the season in the same league I'll be very happy, the remainder of the season will have been an unexpected success, and we can hopefully look to better things. But I'm not confident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, allyo said: I think it is time to lose sight of that. There's no point in judging him, or the team, against what is now an unrealistic target. If we can somehow get out of the season in the same league I'll be very happy, the remainder of the season will have been an unexpected success, and we can hopefully look to better things. But I'm not confident. I agree with you. But if we do stay in this league I can see Caldwell and Low, saying something along the lines of, Caldwell saved us from relegation. When in reality he was brought in to at least challenge for promotion. If not there was no point in sacking our previous management team. Unless they lead us to the very precarious position we now find ourselves in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljaggo Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 Really good first half with Bannigan and Harkins dominating midfield. Well taken goal by Doolan - had plenty of time to pick his spot with the header. Storey played well and managed a good strike that the goalie did well to stop. The second half was completely different. Harkins tired quickly and Storey reverted to type with ineffectual finishes to his runs, at least 4 or 5 crosses badly overhit between him and Elliott (who played OK) The central defence still looks decidedly shaky, but it was Saunders' first game so maybe needs to bed in a bit. A lot more energy about the team compared to the same fixture under Archibald, but they still make far too many simple mistakes, and some lack confidence to get past a player, so the momentum of the moves stalls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 12 minutes ago, eljaggo said: Really good first half with Bannigan and Harkins dominating midfield. Well taken goal by Doolan - had plenty of time to pick his spot with the header. Storey played well and managed a good strike that the goalie did well to stop. The second half was completely different. Harkins tired quickly and Storey reverted to type with ineffectual finishes to his runs, at least 4 or 5 crosses badly overhit between him and Elliott (who played OK) The central defence still looks decidedly shaky, but it was Saunders' first game so maybe needs to bed in a bit. A lot more energy about the team compared to the same fixture under Archibald, but they still make far too many simple mistakes, and some lack confidence to get past a player, so the momentum of the moves stalls. Thanks eljaggo, much like what the Radio Scotland commentary team said. According to them Storey was outstanding in the first half, but wasted good attacking chances in the second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljaggo Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 Storey to me plays better with players he can make short passes to - he did this well in the first half with Elliott and Penrice offering options. He is crap at crossing, which you would think is something he could improve with practice. The penalty looked soft, with the defender (not sure who) getting the ball fairly cleanly. Beatson blew immediately with no pause for reflection, which is against best practice for refs. The BBC said I believe, that no Thistle players protested. That is untrue. Robbie Neilson is a delusional arse judging by his post match BBC comments. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 49 minutes ago, Auld Jag said: I agree with you. But if we do stay in this league I can see Caldwell and Low, saying something along the lines of, Caldwell saved us from relegation. When in reality he was brought in to at least challenge for promotion. If not there was no point in sacking our previous management team. Unless they lead us to the very precarious position we now find ourselves in. Fair enough. I really hope that's our biggest concern in the summer. I was far more confident at this time last year of staying up than I am now. I really can't see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 21 minutes ago, eljaggo said: Storey to me plays better with players he can make short passes to - he did this well in the first half with Elliott and Penrice offering options. He is crap at crossing, which you would think is something he could improve with practice. The penalty looked soft, with the defender (not sure who) getting the ball fairly cleanly. Beatson blew immediately with no pause for reflection, which is against best practice for refs. The BBC said I believe, that no Thistle players protested. That is untrue. Robbie Neilson is a delusional arse judging by his post match BBC comments. Bobby Madden was the budget in the middle. McGinty made the challenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljaggo Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 Of course he was the ref - stupid mistake, confusing one bad ref with another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 9 minutes ago, eljaggo said: Of course he was the ref - stupid mistake, confusing one bad ref with another. Should've went to Specsavers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljaggo Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 No, no, I'm sure the match was at Tannadice. It could have been Dens though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironfist Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 Madden is an absolute piece. That is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljaggo Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 I was surprised that after Madden (I'm a quick learner) awarded the penaly he reacted by turning and speaking quite forcibly to the Jags fans who were not too happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 With the squad Archie put together we were never going to get promoted and ur rarely happens that teams bounce straight back up we all know the squad needs drastic surgery and that’s happening the next stage is to get to mid table if not Caldwell will be gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P-R Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 40 minutes ago, eljaggo said: I was surprised that after Madden (I'm a quick learner) awarded the penaly he reacted by turning and speaking quite forcibly to the Jags fans who were not too happy. A few of us noticed that too, just inflamed the situation even more (from what looked like a really soft award) and came across as completely unprofessional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 The problem is the PR has all been about the Transfer Window - whilst a point is welcome - whats not being factored in is that other Clubs will make changes also and Fakirk have brought in New Players - who managed too beat Ayr United Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 3 hours ago, allyo said: A draw's not a terrible result in itself, but we're now stuck in a league of three which we probably have to win to avoid relegation. And we're a starting from the back. So we absolutely cannot afford to drop points in games that we go ahead in and are outplaying the opposition. It's just a luxury that we no longer have. Think we’ve got a chance if Caldwell sticks to a 4 at the back , think we definitely got an improved performance today because he changed his preferred shape of the team . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted January 6, 2019 Report Share Posted January 6, 2019 1 hour ago, jlsarmy said: Think we’ve got a chance if Caldwell sticks to a 4 at the back , think we definitely got an improved performance today because he changed his preferred shape of the team . Agree, but I feel we need a tackler in defensive midfield. Harkins played in that role today and it worked fine when we were on the ball. Hopefully we'll bring someone in this month to fill that role. I suppose the flip side to that is added creativity by having an extra ball player in midfield but kinda high risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyMac Posted January 6, 2019 Report Share Posted January 6, 2019 I wasn't at the game and only heard snippets of it on the radio. Nevertheless, listening to what has been said, from the pundits and supporters at the game, by all accounts it was a pretty positive performance. Hopefully this is a sign of things to come and not just a flash in the pan. A point away from home against Dundee Utd was more than anyone was expecting before the match. So credit to Gary Caldwell, the team and all the supporters that made effort to attend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dl1971 Posted January 6, 2019 Report Share Posted January 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, AndyMac said: I wasn't at the game and only heard snippets of it on the radio. Nevertheless, listening to what has been said, from the pundits and supporters at the game, by all accounts it was a pretty positive performance. Hopefully this is a sign of things to come and not just a flash in the pan. A point away from home against Dundee Utd was more than anyone was expecting before the match. So credit to Gary Caldwell, the team and all the supporters that made effort to attend. Well said sir. No matter the diverse opinions on here everyone wants the team to succeed. We will no matter how long it takes. And when we do it will be sweet.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted January 6, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2019 With our typical inability to hold on to a lead when we occasionally go in front, our generally pathetic attacks that end up with a useless final ball, our truly pathetic (especially central) defence, and the increasing likelihood that referees will feel we're going down anywyat and so will readily compound the misery with decisions like the one yesterday.....unfortunately, this Thistle team looks dead certs for relegation. Seen it happen before, too many times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted January 6, 2019 Report Share Posted January 6, 2019 5 hours ago, Jaggernaut said: With our typical inability to hold on to a lead when we occasionally go in front, our generally pathetic attacks that end up with a useless final ball, our truly pathetic (especially central) defence, and the increasing likelihood that referees will feel we're going down anywyat and so will readily compound the misery with decisions like the one yesterday.....unfortunately, this Thistle team looks dead certs for relegation. Seen it happen before, too many times. We had 8 shots on target yesterday, 1 hitting the back of the net with 3 or being stopped by great saves. They had 4 including the penalty. There keeper was a bigger say in the result than our recent inability to get shots away or on target Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljaggo Posted January 6, 2019 Report Share Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Jaggernaut said: With our typical inability to hold on to a lead when we occasionally go in front, our generally pathetic attacks that end up with a useless final ball, our truly pathetic (especially central) defence, and the increasing likelihood that referees will feel we're going down anywyat and so will readily compound the misery with decisions like the one yesterday.....unfortunately, this Thistle team looks dead certs for relegation. Seen it happen before, too many times. We played really well in the first half yesterday, and I don't recognise your description or share your view. We were good when on the front foot, but the defence is decidedly shaky when pressed. My concern is that Caldwell was unable to alter our tactics to counter United's surge. Partly that was because he had to make subs because of lack of fitness (or age), which may have hampered tactical options. With a strengthened central defence from transfers the situation might not be as dire as you think. Who Caldwell brings in to bolster the defence will be critical. Edited January 6, 2019 by eljaggo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watties wallies Posted January 6, 2019 Report Share Posted January 6, 2019 just watched the highlights on jagzone what happened to the team in the second half lost their shape and second to most 50/50 as others have posted our midfield is too lightweight ok going forward but when the opposition come at us we have nobody there breaking up play dont think harkins is the answer in that position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muscat Jag Posted January 6, 2019 Report Share Posted January 6, 2019 13 hours ago, eljaggo said: I was surprised that after Madden (I'm a quick learner) awarded the penaly he reacted by turning and speaking quite forcibly to the Jags fans who were not too happy. Looks a pen to me on highlights. McGinty is a liability and needs replaced. Can't get my head around the Ref having a go at supporters after the award. If that's true it is completely unprofessional. Does anyone know exactly what he said? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted January 6, 2019 Report Share Posted January 6, 2019 18 minutes ago, Muscat Jag said: Looks a pen to me on highlights. McGinty is a liability and needs replaced. Can't get my head around the Ref having a go at supporters after the award. If that's true it is completely unprofessional. Does anyone know exactly what he said? McGinty another of Archie’s duds 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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