robphil Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 On 11/19/2024 at 7:21 PM, The Thistle Archive said: For any social media users... our main X posts are now also going out on Bluesky, as a number of Thistle fans have moved there lately. Let's see how it goes. As always, we'll follow back anyone who follows The Thistle Archive! Connect with The Thistle Archive @ Bluesky... https://bsky.app/profile/thethistlearchive.bsky.social I'm sorry but I don't belong to ANY social media thingies. How can I access your wonderful archive when the site closes. I apologise if this is going over old ground.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancipital Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 11 hours ago, partickthedog said: Hi Mr Archive Your interesting feature on opposition players who had kindly scored own goals to benefit Thistle, culminating in the Livingston defender last Friday, prompted me to post a question with has crossed my mind on a few occasions. For the avoidance of doubt, I am leaving aside own goals and focusing on players scoring for the team they were actually playing for! How many players who have scored both for and against Thistle scored more against than they did for Thistle? I can think of lots of players who in recent years have scored both for and against Thistle, but in virtually every case the balance seemed to be positive. Without thinking too hard, here is a quick list of 22 (in alphabetical order of surname) to which no doubt many more could be added: Alex Burns, Joe Cardle, Robbie Crawford, Kris Doolan, Graham Dorrans, Barry Elliot, James Grady, Brian Graham, Damon Gray, Martin Hardie, Gary Harkins, Kevin Holt, Stevie Lawless, Scott McLean, Jamie Mitchell, Aaron Muirhead, Mark Roberts, Scott Robinson, Connor Sammon, Lyle Taylor, Scott Tiffoney, Paul Tosh We can discount some players who played for us and scored plenty against us, but as far as I am aware never scored for us in a competitive fixture, such as John Baird and Kevin Nisbet. The only players who spring to mind who might have a negative balance are Paddy Keogh, Robbie Muirhead and Dario Zanatta. Am I right about them, and are there any more to add? Cammy Smith scored one goal in two years for us compared with a hat trick in about 20 minutes for Dundee Utd against us 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 4 hours ago, Ancipital said: Cammy Smith scored one goal in two years for us compared with a hat trick in about 20 minutes for Dundee Utd against us That's a good shout. I was at the Dundee United away game when he scored his hat-trick. When he signed for us, I was initially quite excited.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 7 hours ago, Lenziejag said: 15 hours ago, partickthedog said: Hi Mr Archive Your interesting feature on opposition players who had kindly scored own goals to benefit Thistle, culminating in the Livingston defender last Friday, prompted me to post a question with has crossed my mind on a few occasions. For the avoidance of doubt, I am leaving aside own goals and focusing on players scoring for the team they were actually playing for! How many players who have scored both for and against Thistle scored more against than they did for Thistle? I can think of lots of players who in recent years have scored both for and against Thistle, but in virtually every case the balance seemed to be positive. Without thinking too hard, here is a quick list of 22 (in alphabetical order of surname) to which no doubt many more could be added: Alex Burns, Joe Cardle, Robbie Crawford, Kris Doolan, Graham Dorrans, Barry Elliot, James Grady, Brian Graham, Damon Gray, Martin Hardie, Gary Harkins, Kevin Holt, Stevie Lawless, Scott McLean, Jamie Mitchell, Aaron Muirhead, Mark Roberts, Scott Robinson, Connor Sammon, Lyle Taylor, Scott Tiffoney, Paul Tosh We can discount some players who played for us and scored plenty against us, but as far as I am aware never scored for us in a competitive fixture, such as John Baird and Kevin Nisbet. The only players who spring to mind who might have a negative balance are Paddy Keogh, Robbie Muirhead and Dario Zanatta. Am I right about them, and are there any more to add? , Scott McDonald, Simon Donnelly I am sure that you are right about both Scott MacDonald and Simon Donnelly scoring against us, although I do not recall the specific occasions. They would both have ended up with healthy positive balances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 Billy Dodds must have scored a few against us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Jag Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 (edited) John Baird. Edit: Oh wait he literally never scored for us! Edited May 9 by Woodstock Jag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 2 hours ago, partickthedog said: I am sure that you are right about both Scott MacDonald and Simon Donnelly scoring against us, although I do not recall the specific occasions. They would both have ended up with healthy positive balances. Same for me - just an assumption, although Scott did score a fair few for us in the short time he was with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 Just to add another one who has scored both ways, but will have a net positive balance: Anton Dowds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeanieD Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 Alex Forsyth scored for us, scored against us and scored an own goal for us when playing for the dark side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 1 hour ago, Woodstock Jag said: John Baird. Edit: Oh wait he literally never scored for us! Competitively, you're correct. But he did score in a friendly, on the hottest day I can mind watching Thistle this century. Everything cooled down after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarciaBlaine Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 Dan O'Reilly scored for us and against us in the same game when he played for Raith. He'll be at a positive balance now (though not by loads) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hosie Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 John Donnelly scored an own goal against Dunfermline while a Thistle player. Later that season he scored an own goal against Thistle while playing for Dunfermline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 So is the 100 goals official? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Jag Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 15 minutes ago, allyo said: So is the 100 goals official? It depends on what you regard as "official". The Club considers it to be 100. Thistle Archive considers it to be 99. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 I'm sure Kris Doolan only scored one 100th goal. Opportunity for BBG to better him there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Thistle Archive Posted Sunday at 10:03 AM Author Report Share Posted Sunday at 10:03 AM On 5/9/2025 at 8:33 AM, robphil said: I'm sorry but I don't belong to ANY social media thingies. How can I access your wonderful archive when the site closes. I apologise if this is going over old ground.. We sometimes post interesting stats and whatnot on X, Bluesky and Pie & Bovril, but no real need to be on there. All the stats end up on the match hub on the Thistle Archive website which is worth bookmarking. We're not connected to this forum if that's what you're thinking? Access is free and open to all and we even pay so you don't have to be bugged with adverts: The Thistle Archive → 21 hours ago, allyo said: I'm sure Kris Doolan only scored one 100th goal. Opportunity for BBG to better him there. Allyo, you're a tonic. I'll be chucking over that for a while, thank you! 😆 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Thistle Archive Posted Sunday at 10:14 AM Author Report Share Posted Sunday at 10:14 AM On 5/8/2025 at 10:48 PM, partickthedog said: Hi Mr Archive Your interesting feature on opposition players who had kindly scored own goals to benefit Thistle, culminating in the Livingston defender last Friday, prompted me to post a question with has crossed my mind on a few occasions. For the avoidance of doubt, I am leaving aside own goals and focusing on players scoring for the team they were actually playing for! How many players who have scored both for and against Thistle scored more against than they did for Thistle? I can think of lots of players who in recent years have scored both for and against Thistle, but in virtually every case the balance seemed to be positive. Without thinking too hard, here is a quick list of 22 (in alphabetical order of surname) to which no doubt many more could be added: Alex Burns, Joe Cardle, Robbie Crawford, Kris Doolan, Graham Dorrans, Barry Elliot, James Grady, Brian Graham, Damon Gray, Martin Hardie, Gary Harkins, Kevin Holt, Stevie Lawless, Scott McLean, Jamie Mitchell, Aaron Muirhead, Mark Roberts, Scott Robinson, Connor Sammon, Lyle Taylor, Scott Tiffoney, Paul Tosh We can discount some players who played for us and scored plenty against us, but as far as I am aware never scored for us in a competitive fixture, such as John Baird and Kevin Nisbet. The only players who spring to mind who might have a negative balance are Paddy Keogh, Robbie Muirhead and Dario Zanatta. Am I right about them, and are there any more to add? Great question and fair shooting off the top of your head ptd, 2 out of 3, meatloafed it. Off the post with Dario who has a zero goal difference, all square on 3-3. * 219 players have scored for and against Thistle in competitive action (not including own goals either way). * 29 have a negative balance i.e. they've scored more against than for the Jags. * Of the 219, Kris Doolan (+120) has the greatest positive balance. * On a topical note, Brian Graham (3rd) needs 4 more to be become a positive centurion! The negative 29 (for-against goals, first-last goal years for Thistle): 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted Sunday at 12:23 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 12:23 PM 1 hour ago, The Thistle Archive said: Great question and fair shooting off the top of your head ptd, 2 out of 3, meatloafed it. Off the post with Dario who has a zero goal difference, all square on 3-3. * 219 players have scored for and against Thistle in competitive action (not including own goals either way). * 29 have a negative balance i.e. they've scored more against than for the Jags. * Of the 219, Kris Doolan (+120) has the greatest positive balance. * On a topical note, Brian Graham (3rd) needs 4 more to be become a positive centurion! The negative 29 (for-against goals, first-last goal years for Thistle): That is fantastic work as always. Much appreciated. Apologies to Dario Zanatta for misjudging him. Pat Keogh was closer than I thought. The most prominent recent "Dark Lord" is obviously Robbie Muirhead, but Tommy Robson is one that has sneaked somewhat under the radar. I can remember Martin Cameron running half the length of Recreation Park (as I am sure it then was) to slot one in for Alloa, but I had not realised how frequently he had scored against us. Graham Connell was a surprise. His one goal for us was an absolute belter in what was then a shock win against Inverness. Cammy Smith has also been remarked on before on this thread. Some of the earlier high negative scorers are probably in a category we will not see again, ie those who had lengthy spells playing against us for one of the OF, and then signed up at Thistle when they were still reasonably potent. Tommy Bryce and Stuart Taylor are both more in the negative camp than I had recollected, but we can forgive Paul Ritchie due to one stat not appearing above, ie sinking the winning penalty in the play off v Peterhead. Many many thanks again! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robphil Posted Monday at 09:31 AM Report Share Posted Monday at 09:31 AM 23 hours ago, The Thistle Archive said: We sometimes post interesting stats and whatnot on X, Bluesky and Pie & Bovril, but no real need to be on there. All the stats end up on the match hub on the Thistle Archive website which is worth bookmarking. We're not connected to this forum if that's what you're thinking? Access is free and open to all and we even pay so you don't have to be bugged with adverts: The Thistle Archive → Allyo, you're a tonic. I'll be chucking over that for a while, thank you! 😆 MANY thanks. It was all so simple even for me. Google thistle archive and Hey Joe! There it was. As a retired journalist I fully appreciate the research involved in your amazing enterprise. You bring back so many golden memories of the 1950s and onwards. Thanks again... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a f kincaid Posted Monday at 12:43 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 12:43 PM On 5/10/2025 at 1:28 PM, allyo said: So is the 100 goals official? No-one likes to be a party pooper but it is unavoidable in this case. William and I have been discussing the issue for some time and our position is clear. Maybe now is not the right time to go into it in greater detail but basically The Thistle Archive always aims to record facts and figures as accurately as possible. Sometimes deciding what is accurate is difficult (even controversial). Deep breath, Brian Graham's winner at Somerset Park was his 99th competitive goal for Thistle, not his 100th. He has, incidentally, also scored 8 in friendly matches. The goal in question belongs to a match at Inverness on 9 February 2022. Video evidence from a camera behind the goal shows that it was an og. Certainly Brian was in "close attendance" but it was an og. It should be pointed out that goal scorers are accredited by OPTA who are contracted to the SPFL (and many other sporting organisations) and not the referee. Sorry to put a dampener on this when emotions are running high. A goal by Brian tomorrow night will set the record straight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted Monday at 12:53 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 12:53 PM On 5/11/2025 at 11:14 AM, The Thistle Archive said: Great question and fair shooting off the top of your head ptd, 2 out of 3, meatloafed it. Off the post with Dario who has a zero goal difference, all square on 3-3. * 219 players have scored for and against Thistle in competitive action (not including own goals either way). * 29 have a negative balance i.e. they've scored more against than for the Jags. * Of the 219, Kris Doolan (+120) has the greatest positive balance. * On a topical note, Brian Graham (3rd) needs 4 more to be become a positive centurion! The negative 29 (for-against goals, first-last goal years for Thistle): Torry Gillick must have loved playing against us. He only scored 59 in total for Rangers, and 22 were against us ! No wonder we signed him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG1970 Posted Monday at 02:05 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 02:05 PM On 5/10/2025 at 1:48 PM, allyo said: I'm sure Kris Doolan only scored one 100th goal. Opportunity for BBG to better him there. Not forgetting that the officials stole a goal off Kris’s total in that “incident” at Firhill against Morton …. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted Monday at 03:00 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 03:00 PM 51 minutes ago, JAG1970 said: Not forgetting that the officials stole a goal off Kris’s total in that “incident” at Firhill against Morton …. That was of course after Kris had undeniably reached 100, but if it had been before that Kris might have been in the same boat as Brian as regards there arguably being 2 alternative milestone goals. The Archive strives to be as accurate as possible, and all TV and video footage shows the ball miles over the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hosie Posted Monday at 03:05 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 03:05 PM Just to provide a little more detail to Brian Graham reaching the 100 competitive goal mark on Friday, it's correct that OPTA are the data source for a large number of outlets for their stats. I've attached one such example below. Others are available. It's confirmation that OPTA credited Brian with a hat-trick against Inverness. That's OPTA, the referee from the game and, you would imagine the final arbriter of Thistle records, the Club itself that credit Brian with a hat-trick. It's 100 competitive Partick Thistle goals for Brian Graham. It's a fantastic achievement, the landmark reached in dramatic and wonderful circumstances. Let's celebrate that. Incidentally a similar issue may arise in the future. It was Dan O'Reilly and not Wasiri Williams that the referee credited with the goal against Edinburgh City. Best to get that cleared up prior to Dan getting into the 90s of Thistle goals! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted Monday at 03:18 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 03:18 PM Interesting to see who assisted Broadfoot’s late equaliser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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