MarciaBlaine Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 Thought this might merit its own topic separate from the TJF one. From the outside looking in (i.e. a TJF member but not on the board) it seems that playing to 3BC's whims has not worked and never will. So it seems something more hardball has to happen. As has been observed by @denismcquadeno.eleven and others, the announcement of 'fan ownership' has been cynically timed to land just after most fans will have bought their season tickets. Clearly hitting the club in the pocket is a very effective tactic but one that has been somewhat subdued with this timing. So what are the options? Other financial action, e.g. no further money to the club via matchday food/drinks, hospitality, merchandise, etc. This will certainly have an effect on the club though it may be most effective if it was accompanied by people telling the club they're doing it and why (e.g. each person contacting the club to say "not one more penny"), and perhaps the money going elsewhere such as TJF coffers or another 'fighting fund' that specifically withholds the sums until specific demands are met. This latter is a tricky one because people would need to feel that their money wasn't going to disappear if/when demands aren't met. So could TJF be the body that effectively capitalises our dissent? No doubt some legal hoops would need to be jumped through to make that legit. Matchday protests. These can range from banners/chanting at games, protests outside the ground, etc. For my money these are just water off a duck's back. They might give a wee thrill to the people protesting but are pretty ineffective if the intransigent people in charge don't care anyway. More nuclear options such as fans intentionally disrupting games (Blackpool with their tangerines and tennis balls thrown on the pitch spring to mind). This is nuclear because it directly affects the playing side of things, including docked points. It can only really be an option if the team are clear of relegation with no realistic chance of promotion, or so deeply mired in the relegation doldrums that docked points make no difference. And it would undoubtedly pain many fans to go down this route, with good reason. We all want the team to succeed. I suppose there are other direct action/'civil disobedience-lite' options from historical protests, such as 'phone zaps' (overloading the club with calls/emails), intentionally causing nuisance (like flooding toilets - feels a bit childish!), but again they will almost certainly detriment the playing side of things at some point, either through costs incurred or people not being able to do other elements of their jobs properly. An extreme example would be if Gerry Britton is too busy dealing with hassle from us to effectively negotiate a player purchase. I suppose I've talked myself into the first option but are there any other tactics or strategies that might work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 I’ve written to Gerry Britton this morning indicating not one more penny from me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 (edited) 43 minutes ago, MarciaBlaine said: Matchday protests. These can range from banners/chanting at games, protests outside the ground, etc. For my money these are just water off a duck's back. They might give a wee thrill to the people protesting but are pretty ineffective if the intransigent people in charge don't care anyway. Take your point but even if the "financial action" is the way to go, from a marketing point of view visual & aural protests are of value. I agree that on their own the powers that be would simply ride the storm. But we need to have tangible protests from a publicity point of view. For instance Friday night televised games should be a particular target. Also, and this overlaps into the "financial action" territory, match sponsors would not want to have their product marginalised on a day of protest. One area at least where I would think matchday protest would be effective, again in association with "financial action", would be in matters of "match hospitality". I can leave it to others to imagine just how much embarrassment and apologising could ensue from "fan action" in that specific area. Edited August 9, 2022 by lady-isobel-barnett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarciaBlaine Posted August 9, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 That's an interesting and valuable response LIB. It's prompted me to think about other protest/financial overlaps. For instance, contacting club sponsors to express disappointment at the club's stance and the impact it has on the sponsor's image. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarciaBlaine Posted August 9, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 (edited) 55 minutes ago, javeajag said: I’ve written to Gerry Britton this morning indicating not one more penny from me. Me too. I know it's a pain, but doing this each and every time we withhold monies would be really effective - the ongoing upswell of contact, being constantly made aware of it, would undoubtedly have a cumulative effect. Having previously worked (for my sins!) in a job that entailed dealing with complaints, it's the volume of individual contacts that changes things. Edited August 9, 2022 by MarciaBlaine Typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThickAsThieves Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 Protests are definitely a viable option in terms of getting the mainstream media's attention on what's going on. Ps. What's Gaelic for '**** off Jacqui Low'? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End 2 Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 Total withdrawal of any cash input. From attending the game, even for season ticket holders as it would send a message. No match day income for any merchandising, food, drink etc. Protest outside Firhill prior to the match and don't go in. Contact all media outlets and vent your frustration. If there are sparse crowds it will impact on any sponsorship the club have, so kess cash flow for the club. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarciaBlaine Posted August 9, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 Another thing that comes to mind is a timed walkout e.g. at the 71st minute Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambies Lost Doo Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 Gerry Britton is an employee of the club. The complaints need to go to Jaqui Low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 Ideally we want to first get club sponsors and major advertisers on the fans side. They'll be caught up in the middle of this. We don't really want to jeopardise their goodwill but may have to. How we do that is the hard part. My gut feeling is the Club's soft underbelly involves matchday hospitality. Maximum effect from minimum effort and all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 A 71st minute walkout had crossed my mind (although this could be misinterpreted if the opposition goes 3-0 up in the 70th minute) I would hate to do anything that negatively affects the team but the live game against Inverness does provide an opportunity to maximise publicity. I'm sure BBC Scotland would happily report any action - boycott, walkout. Two words of caution: 1. We need to ensure we have significant backing from the season ticket holders who are not members of TJF. 2. Personally I would be reluctant to take any action until there is more information on the successful recipient of the shares 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambies Lost Doo Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 I'm not keen on financially damaging the club as we'd need to sort the problems out. I would support Letters of complaint to the Chairman Jaqui Low Letters ofcomplaint to our main sponsors. Just Employment Law, Greaves, o'neills, McCrea's, Forrest Precision Engineering, First Point USA etc. Links are here at bottom of page https://ptfc.co.uk/hospitality-sponsorship/ Banners in JLS against her decision. Match disruption. Black cats thrown onto the pitch. Staged walk out or delayed entry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarciaBlaine Posted August 9, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 13 minutes ago, lady-isobel-barnett said: Ideally we want to first get club sponsors and major advertisers on the fans side. They'll be caught up in the middle of this. We don't really want to jeopardise their goodwill but may have to. How we do that is the hard part. My gut feeling is the Club's soft underbelly involves matchday hospitality. Maximum effect from minimum effort and all that. Well it's not too hard to describe the behaviour of the club in a few general terms (dismissive, secretive/evasive, slow and inefficient) and then to assume that any sponsor is both happy to associate themselves with this behaviour and indeed may be only too happy to replicate it. A few (hundred) emails to that effect might help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarciaBlaine Posted August 9, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 9 minutes ago, Lambies Lost Doo said: I'm not keen on financially damaging the club as we'd need to sort the problems out. I would support Letters of complaint to the Chairman Jaqui Low Letters ofcomplaint to our main sponsors. Just Employment Law, Greaves, o'neills, McCrea's, Forrest Precision Engineering, First Point USA etc. Links are here at bottom of page https://ptfc.co.uk/hospitality-sponsorship/ Banners in JLS against her decision. Match disruption. Black cats thrown onto the pitch. Staged walk out or delayed entry. JEL: [email protected] Greaves: [email protected] O'Neills (web form): https://oneills.zendesk.com/hc/en-ie/requests/new?ticket_form_id=5646998471709 McCrea's: [email protected] Forrest: [email protected] First Point: [email protected] Kelvin Properties: [email protected] CPS (web form): https://cpsresearch.com/contact-us/ Along Trading: [email protected] DCF design: [email protected] Unick: [email protected] Gilson Gray (web form): https://gilsongray.co.uk/contact-us/ Comply2 (web form): https://comply2.co.uk/contact-us/ Glasgow Taxis: [email protected] Kingsford Capital: ??? P&D Scotland (web form): https://www.bellgroup.co.uk/contact/ PZ Tiling and Maintenance: ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 3 hours ago, javeajag said: I’ve written to Gerry Britton this morning indicating not one more penny from me. That’s the first thing we’ve agreed on ever. Blimey. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Lambies Lost Doo said: Match disruption. Black cats thrown onto the pitch Some useful ideas. But please no-one lift any real black cats from the streets of Maryhill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jags on tour Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 Could we kidnap Kingsley on Firhill Road, bundle him into the back of a van then demand 3BC instate TJF as fan owners in order to get him back? I laughed at the part about flooding the sinks in the toilets, I thought it was only the wet bandits that done that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarciaBlaine Posted August 9, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 17 minutes ago, jags on tour said: Could we kidnap Kingsley on Firhill Road, bundle him into the back of a van then demand 3BC instate TJF as fan owners in order to get him back? I laughed at the part about flooding the sinks in the toilets, I thought it was only the wet bandits that done that? I seem to recall some Derby fans were considering it recently! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljaggo Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 One (longer term) option is to infiltrate the preferred organisation. They must open themselves up to new fan membership to comply with 3BC's own requirements, and since the two options are small affairs, could be controlled in due course. Should they block new fans joining, then that might open themselves up to a legal challenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljaggo Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 I like to be precise DMQ but seems I've overdone it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljaggo Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 (edited) I dreamed of being a star. Thank you. Edited August 9, 2022 by eljaggo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarciaBlaine Posted August 9, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 There's also the more 'performative' types of protest such as, I dunno, everyone in the stand wearing a mask with a blank face on it to show the disregard TBC have for the faceless paying masses. These things can be effective if they provide a stark image/talking point and get the message across without words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggymct Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 I replied to an email I got from the clubs commercial manager re the upcoming golf day and asked her to let Gerry Britton know I will not be committing any more money to the club other than what I have done so far. The more folk that email the club letting them know how unhappy they are the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derby Jag Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 I've cancelled my Jagzone and emailed club to say so as well that I won't be spending any more money including upcoming hospitality days I was in the process of booking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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