Jordanhill Jag Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 50 minutes ago, elevenone said: Correct me if am wrong (prob am) but has Doolan managed a game when we have been leading at 70mins and went on to lose let alone consistently? Singings the jury is out as not seen enough of em. If anything imo it’s the pre Dools signings who have been a massive let down of late ie Banzo, Graham etc The play off final for starters ? He gave Banzo a new Contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End 2 Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 1 hour ago, javeajag said: Agree but pompous can bring it out …. The absolute irony of this! Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Garscube Road End 2 said: The absolute irony of this! Lol Your the expert ….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End 2 Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 8 minutes ago, javeajag said: Your the expert ….. Lol. Your pomposity actually makes you believe that. Oh dear! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Jordanhill Jag said: Sandy we are a Football Club - not a YTS Scheme - its not up to the Club to give the luxury of someone “ learning” as a Manager or “ New Squad Gelling” There are serious questions on not being able to hold onto a win - and being completely out of our depth on every level against Hearts We ran Rangers Close in the Cup Tie - McCall was sacked - and yes the previous couple of results has been poor Therefore its a results driven business and Managers are judged on them My honest opinion is that emotion plays too big a part on decisions from the Club when it involves “ legends” Archie - Gerry B - Bannigan - Dools -other Clubs don't act like this Dools has the next few games to start getting wins I would start with fitness and maybe just maybe start having a plan for when we are 2-0 up ? Even the re-signing of Sneddon fits this criteria. What championship team can afford 3 goalkeepers. Mitchell and Sneddon are similar in that both can produce decent saves but also have bombscare moments. But given Mitchell had a year left on his contract then obviously he was still here- so why waste money on resigning Sneddon- he’s been here 6 years and can anyone really say he has hugely improved? Seems to be yet another cuddly toy decision because someone high up think he is another legend due to length of service etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, Garscube Road End 2 said: Lol. Your pomposity actually makes you believe that. Oh dear! Get a dictionary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elevenone Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 57 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said: The play off final for starters ? He gave Banzo a new Contract and that was only one under his tenure we blew lead after being ahead on 70mins under Doolan no? Not a consistent theme. Re Banzo whilst I agree a mistake so it was under previous managers who did exact same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laukat Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 I never had high hopes of winning today. I had hoped we would have used today to try something different that might be useful in the league and at 2-0 down at halftime surely that was the time to do something different but instead we went with the same formation and selection. One of McCall's major failings was he would always play 4-3-3 no matter who was fit. Doolan showed some flexibility in formation last season by moving to 4-2-3-1 and then 4-4-2 but now seems to be falling into the same trap by constantly playing a 4-2-3-1 largely to shoe horn Bannigan into the team. We only really clicked last season when we played 4-4-2. Fitzpatrick struggled badly in a 4-2-3-1 and we looked pretty slow to move the ball. It was noticeable last season that without Bannigan and with a quicker player alongside Graham we moved the ball quicker and defences struggled with the variation we had in attack. In defence it allowed us to play 2 banks of 4 in a low block and protect Brownlie and Muirhead's lack of pace. Williams is no worse than Brownlie and has potential to be a lot better but he's getting exposed in the current system. I would like to see how we fare with the following: Mitchell McMillan-Muirhead-Williams-Milne Lawless-Williamson-McInroy-McDonald (or MacKenzie) Graham-Fitzpatrick 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 23 minutes ago, Third Lanark said: Even the re-signing of Sneddon fits this criteria. What championship team can afford 3 goalkeepers. Raith Rovers- Dabrowski, Thomson & McNeil Ayr- Albison, Ecrepont & Mutch Dundee Utd- Walton, Newman & Adams Dunfermline-Sharp, Mehmet & Little Quuens Pk- Ferrie, McKenna & Kane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 25 minutes ago, lady-isobel-barnett said: Raith Rovers- Dabrowski, Thomson & McNeil Ayr- Albison, Ecrepont & Mutch Dundee Utd- Walton, Newman & Adams Dunfermline-Sharp, Mehmet & Little Quuens Pk- Ferrie, McKenna & Kane Fair enough- we should have bucked the trend then especially given that I doubt Sneddon is particularly cheap given he has been here 6 years already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 54 minutes ago, elevenone said: and that was only one under his tenure we blew lead after being ahead on 70mins under Doolan no? Not a consistent theme. Re Banzo whilst I agree a mistake so it was under previous managers who did exact same thing. 1-0 up against Airdrie - lost two goals in last 20 minutes 2-0 up against Raith Rovers - lost two goals in last 20 minutes ref Banzo - it was clear last Season he had very little to offer - a two year deal ? If he was not already a long term player we would not have signed him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy McD Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 Let's get over the the terrible performance today and comment on our new 3rd strip which is fantastic.. always like a white strip.. so far not lucky but very nice... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, Jimmy McD said: Let's get over the the terrible performance today and comment on our new 3rd strip which is fantastic.. always like a white strip.. so far not lucky but very nice... None of the 3 strips have been lucky yet. But all 3 are magnificent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 Leaving aside the gulf between Hearts and Thistle right now, there is a great big hole in our midfield which Ross Docherty used to fill that is empty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jag36 Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 56 minutes ago, laukat said: I never had high hopes of winning today. I had hoped we would have used today to try something different that might be useful in the league and at 2-0 down at halftime surely that was the time to do something different but instead we went with the same formation and selection. One of McCall's major failings was he would always play 4-3-3 no matter who was fit. Doolan showed some flexibility in formation last season by moving to 4-2-3-1 and then 4-4-2 but now seems to be falling into the same trap by constantly playing a 4-2-3-1 largely to shoe horn Bannigan into the team. We only really clicked last season when we played 4-4-2. Fitzpatrick struggled badly in a 4-2-3-1 and we looked pretty slow to move the ball. It was noticeable last season that without Bannigan and with a quicker player alongside Graham we moved the ball quicker and defences struggled with the variation we had in attack. In defence it allowed us to play 2 banks of 4 in a low block and protect Brownlie and Muirhead's lack of pace. Williams is no worse than Brownlie and has potential to be a lot better but he's getting exposed in the current system. I would like to see how we fare with the following: Mitchell McMillan-Muirhead-Williams-Milne Lawless-Williamson-McInroy-McDonald (or MacKenzie) Graham-Fitzpatrick The best we played last season was the playoff games without Bannigan, balance of the team much better without him Stanway looked promising in the early league cup. Also far to many loan signings- never a good thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End 2 Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 1 hour ago, javeajag said: Get a dictionary A dictionary you say? And you couldn't even use the contraction for you are properly. Hehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 Alston's the one that concerns me. Should be a good addition to the squad given his experience. However he's been introduced three times and every time we've lost a goal!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 2 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said: The play off final for starters ? He gave Banzo a new Contract Need to calm down a bit JJ , I know it was your friend that got sacked , unfortunately if IM had been sacked earlier after losing 6 games on the trot including Cove and Hamilton at home I believe we would have got automatic promotion. We lost 4 players from last season, definitely 2 who wanted to play Premier League and got their moves ( Tiff and Turner ) the other 2 players Doc and Kevin Holt got offered double their Wages to play at the same level , the big mistake was not giving either of these 2 players some sort of deal . IMO I would given Ross Docherty the gig ,he controlled things for us , Dools should have sacrificed a player to give Doc the wages he was after ( Do we need Alston ?) Doolan’s record is good , only 3 or 4 losses in 25/26 games I hope supporters realise this season was always going to transitional , we were never going to replace the players who left with like for like due to budget cuts because of the overspend from the previous Board and Management. We’re only 2 League games into the season and possibly we should all calm down a bit . Doolan has made mistakes already but I’m sure he’ll learn quickly. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, jlsarmy said: Need to calm down a bit JJ , I know it was your friend that got sacked , unfortunately if IM had been sacked earlier after losing 6 games on the trot including Cove and Hamilton at home I believe we would have got automatic promotion. We lost 4 players from last season, definitely 2 who wanted to play Premier League and got their moves ( Tiff and Turner ) the other 2 players Doc and Kevin Holt got offered double their Wages to play at the same level , the big mistake was not giving either of these 2 players some sort of deal . IMO I would given Ross Docherty the gig ,he controlled things for us , Dools should have sacrificed a player to give Doc the wages he was after ( Do we need Alston ?) Doolan’s record is good , only 3 or 4 losses in 25/26 games I hope supporters realise this season was always going to transitional , we were never going to replace the players who left with like for like due to budget cuts because of the overspend from the previous Board and Management. We’re only 2 League games into the season and possibly we should all calm down a bit . Doolan has made mistakes already but I’m sure he’ll learn quickly. Fair analysis all told. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 4 hours ago, avie-man said: There you have it, one of the movers and shakers in TJF happy to accept shite. Sounds about right with the fans of this club. Chances of us ever doing what Killie did there. Zero. Did you expect us to win today ? I didn’t but did expect us to play a lot better than we did . To put the gulf into perspective, if Lawrence Shankland was sold it would probably buy our whole Club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 20 minutes ago, jlsarmy said: hope supporters realise this season was always going to transitional , we were never going to replace the players who left with like for like due to budget cuts because of the overspend from the previous Board and Management. Eh why was it always going to be transitional ? Like other teams are not going through transitions ? …. so we can’t get promoted so why bother Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 22 minutes ago, jlsarmy said: Doolan has made mistakes already but I’m sure he’ll learn quickly. That is the sort of thing that is repeated endlessly and means nothing … it’s amazing how many people don’t learn from mistakes all the time ….. can you give any actual evidence that he is is learning from errors because it’s not obvious to me like todays game for example …. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 9 minutes ago, jlsarmy said: Did you expect us to win today ? I didn’t but did expect us to play a lot better than we did . To put the gulf into perspective, if Lawrence Shankland was sold it would probably buy our whole Club That’s true but on that basis how did Kilmarnock revenue £4m beat Celtic revenue £76m …… that’s s bigger gulf than between us and Hearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dl1971 Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 27 minutes ago, jlsarmy said: Need to calm down a bit JJ , I know it was your friend that got sacked , unfortunately if IM had been sacked earlier after losing 6 games on the trot including Cove and Hamilton at home I believe we would have got automatic promotion. We lost 4 players from last season, definitely 2 who wanted to play Premier League and got their moves ( Tiff and Turner ) the other 2 players Doc and Kevin Holt got offered double their Wages to play at the same level , the big mistake was not giving either of these 2 players some sort of deal . IMO I would given Ross Docherty the gig ,he controlled things for us , Dools should have sacrificed a player to give Doc the wages he was after ( Do we need Alston ?) Doolan’s record is good , only 3 or 4 losses in 25/26 games I hope supporters realise this season was always going to transitional , we were never going to replace the players who left with like for like due to budget cuts because of the overspend from the previous Board and Management. We’re only 2 League games into the season and possibly we should all calm down a bit . Doolan has made mistakes already but I’m sure he’ll learn quickly. Wow. Had to read a lot of flatulent nonsense before a sensible analysis of the reality of things. It's August. 2 league games in. Of course the team is in transition and the time to make sensible judgements is as usual....when we have played the first quarter of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dl1971 Posted August 20, 2023 Report Share Posted August 20, 2023 1 minute ago, javeajag said: That’s true but on that basis how did Kilmarnock revenue £4m beat Celtic revenue £76m …… that’s s bigger gulf than between us and Hearts What is the financial gulf between us and Hearts for comparison purposes? Not that it really matters because I'd imagine killie only beat Celtic once every 50 games or so..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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