Muscat Jag Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 Would have thought it's Simon Donnelly that McCall refers to at the end. Harkins is the only other contender. Both these players on a different level to Kris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
policemans whistle Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 The rumour was that Dobbie was going to sign before Swansea came in with an offer that even the old firm could not compete with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 5 hours ago, Muscat Jag said: Would have thought it's Simon Donnelly that McCall refers to at the end. Harkins is the only other contender. Both these players on a different level to Kris. Simon Donnelly is a very good point MJ. You may well be onto it with that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 Could easily be either Harkins or Donnelly. Often when you hear talk of "natural ability" it's followed with a "but" so on that basis alone I'd go with Harkins. McCall tho' could just be as easily be talking about a guy with great talent with the ball but offering nothing else. Step up to the plate, please, Ryan McStay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 (edited) Chris Erskine also has great natural ability Edited April 6, 2020 by jaggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 When it comes to natural ability, Graham Gibson is surely in a league of his own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlgarveJag Posted April 7, 2020 Report Share Posted April 7, 2020 Simon Donnelly is the stand-out but could IMac really claim to have 'coached' him? Interesting one. Doolan on the other hand, there is no doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted April 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2020 Now that we are to play in League 1 next season, the decent thing for McCall to do is fall on his sword and take his two buddies with him. He has been an abject failure and if he was half the manager he thinks he is, we would not have been in this position. Do the decent thing Ian and go now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted April 16, 2020 Report Share Posted April 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, Garscube Road End said: Now that we are to play in League 1 next season, the decent thing for McCall to do is fall on his sword and take his two buddies with him. He has been an abject failure and if he was half the manager he thinks he is, we would not have been in this position. Do the decent thing Ian and go now. Can we afford to bin him ? , he has definitely got it wrong without a shadow of doubt, took over from Caldwell after 6 games . With his experience should have made us hard to beat first of all , messed around with formations and personnel too much , we never had a settled team . January window was a disaster , filling it with inexperienced players O’Connor, Barjonas , Mayo and an over the hill McKinnon. If that had been Caldwell opinion wouldn’t have been divided, he’ll probably get another chance to get it right but IMO the jury is out . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 6 hours ago, Garscube Road End said: Now that we are to play in League 1 next season, the decent thing for McCall to do is fall on his sword and take his two buddies with him. He has been an abject failure and if he was half the manager he thinks he is, we would not have been in this position. Do the decent thing Ian and go now. He has been very disappointing no doubt but he inherited a shambles, we can’t say we played the 36 games in charge and were relegated (we might have been but we weren’t and over the 36games I think we would have overtaken QOS). But either way We have been expelled not relegated. in light of the very successful acheivements he did by rebuilding Ayr, and also at Airdrie, Falkirk etc he gets another chance. If we don’t get promoted next season he has to go. for whatever reason things have been far too comfy at Firhill and he has to get back to the very hungry, motivational manager he was at Airdrie, Falkirk, Ayr United etc pronto. He has a huge passion for Thistle, though that should not save him but I can’t think of anyone who would leave the team top of the division to join the one bottom, especially given the shambles we were in and some of the poor performers here on another note even if I wanted him gone which I don’t he got a 3 year deal from the club and we would struggle to afford to bin him, whereas in a years time there’s less compensation and I think if he had failed to get us promoted from league one he would walk. so I would give him another year - but please don’t let us down this time Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted April 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 6 hours ago, jlsarmy said: Can we afford to bin him ? , he has definitely got it wrong without a shadow of doubt, took over from Caldwell after 6 games . With his experience should have made us hard to beat first of all , messed around with formations and personnel too much , we never had a settled team . January window was a disaster , filling it with inexperienced players O’Connor, Barjonas , Mayo and an over the hill McKinnon. If that had been Caldwell opinion wouldn’t have been divided, he’ll probably get another chance to get it right but IMO the jury is out . We probably cant afford to pay him off. That's why I said he should fall on his sword. I dont expect him to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Gekantawa Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 I think he did as well as can be reasonably expected up to January with the truly dire squad he inherited. He kept us in touch going into January which was no mean feat. In January, with the backing of most people on here, he decided a complete rebuild was required. Naturally this was risky as it’s difficult to recruit in January and it’s hard to bed in so many new players mid-seaon. This (at least initially) backfired and our form fell off a cliff, as the players looked like they’d never played together before. However I personally saw real signs of improvement in the last couple or so games as the team got to know each other and the manager got to know the team. We will now never know whether that rebuild was going to pay off. Ultimately he’s only had a few weeks with a squad he’s had any input in building. It’s hard to judge him on that. I would also add that Ayr was rewarded by sticking by him, after he initially took them down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted April 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 12 minutes ago, Duke Gekantawa said: I think he did as well as can be reasonably expected up to January with the truly dire squad he inherited. He kept us in touch going into January which was no mean feat. In January, with the backing of most people on here, he decided a complete rebuild was required. Naturally this was risky as it’s difficult to recruit in January and it’s hard to bed in so many new players mid-seaon. This (at least initially) backfired and our form fell off a cliff, as the players looked like they’d never played together before. However I personally saw real signs of improvement in the last couple or so games as the team got to know each other and the manager got to know the team. We will now never know whether that rebuild was going to pay off. Ultimately he’s only had a few weeks with a squad he’s had any input in building. It’s hard to judge him on that. I would also add that Ayr was rewarded by sticking by him, after he initially took them down. If he is the manager he thinks he is, he would have performed better with the players he had at his disposal. And some of his signings in January were questionable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Col Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 He doesn’t need 2 assistants, and the club can’t afford them. One of them has to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve61 Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 I wouldn't sack him yet - 3 year contract to honour. If he resigns, then that's different. But who would we replace him with? Who would want to come to a Div 1 club? Would IMO have to be an up and coming manager or recently retired player who is ambitious and hungry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Gekantawa Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 Just now, Garscube Road End said: If he is the manager he thinks he is, he would have performed better with the players he had at his disposal. And some of his signings in January were questionable. I genuinely think Jurgen Klopp would have struggled with the players he inherited. And some signings of every manager will be questionable, never mind in an attempted January emergency rebuild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG1970 Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 IMC inherited a mess and a team/club in decline for 2 years before his arrival. Given the leeway shown to Archie and Caldwell it would be harsh in the extreme to bag him now. Why should he fall on his sword? He's had one transfer window and virtually no time to work with those new players due to covid. He has proved himself at various clubs most recently Ayr - and they are in a position to vote yes thanks in a large part to IMC! IMO it would be madness to terminate him. It's not going to happen anyway. Give the guy a feckin' break and TIME to do his job! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 47 minutes ago, Garscube Road End said: If he is the manager he thinks he is, he would have performed better with the players he had at his disposal. And some of his signings in January were questionable. Genuine question and I’m not meaning to offend and also apologies in advance if I got it wrong but did you not say on another thread that you would not be back. in which case would matter to much to you who the manager is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted April 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 56 minutes ago, steve61 said: I wouldn't sack him yet - 3 year contract to honour. If he resigns, then that's different. But who would we replace him with? Who would want to come to a Div 1 club? Would IMO have to be an up and coming manager or recently retired player who is ambitious and hungry. Stewart Petrie at Montrose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted April 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 17 minutes ago, Third Lanark said: Genuine question and I’m not meaning to offend and also apologies in advance if I got it wrong but did you not say on another thread that you would not be back. in which case would matter to much to you who the manager is Wow! A cheap shot. No surprise there. I decided to change my mind as the debate has moved on. Sorry! Didn't know you were the Stasi police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCall Out Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 9 hours ago, Garscube Road End said: Now that we are to play in League 1 next season, the decent thing for McCall to do is fall on his sword and take his two buddies with him. He has been an abject failure and if he was half the manager he thinks he is, we would not have been in this position. Do the decent thing Ian and go now. This Since he has come back, McCall has been awful. Caldwell my have been crap, but he did manage to avoid relegation and managed to raise the game when it mattered most. This relegation is 100% his fault. Those who blame the board may be right that they could have played the cards better, but just remember who dealt them the hand to play. Time for him to go and social distancing is just one of the reasons I won't be there to wave bye bye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West of Scotland Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 No one ever sticks the flounce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCall Out Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 46 minutes ago, JAG1970 said: IMC inherited a mess and a team/club in decline for 2 years before his arrival. Given the leeway shown to Archie and Caldwell it would be harsh in the extreme to bag him now. Why should he fall on his sword? He's had one transfer window and virtually no time to work with those new players due to covid. He has proved himself at various clubs most recently Ayr - and they are in a position to vote yes thanks in a large part to IMC! IMO it would be madness to terminate him. It's not going to happen anyway. Give the guy a feckin' break and TIME to do his job! And in his one window made the mess worse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Garscube Road End said: Wow! A cheap shot. No surprise there. I decided to change my mind as the debate has moved on. Sorry! Didn't know you were the Stasi police. Not really was a genuine question. Your kind of hard to keep up with as one minute your leaving never to return the next your wanting a new manager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, McCall Out said: This Since he has come back, McCall has been awful. Caldwell my have been crap, but he did manage to avoid relegation and managed to raise the game when it mattered most. This relegation is 100% his fault. Those who blame the board may be right that they could have played the cards better, but just remember who dealt them the hand to play. Time for him to go and social distancing is just one of the reasons I won't be there to wave bye bye It’s not relegation it’s expulsion- need 36 games for it to be relegation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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