Queens Park Thread

[allyo]

2 hours ago, Dick Dastardly said:

If you multiply goals scored by players age, is there anyone in professional football with a higher number than BBG ?

😆

Where is Brian Graham now in our all-time scoring charts? Definitely now second top scorer in my 40+ years of watching Thistle. Quite incredible for someone who signed at the age of 32 and lost well over half a season's worth of games due to Covid.

Edited December 29, 2024 by allyo

[Duke Gekantawa]

18 minutes ago, allyo said:

😆

Where is Brian Graham now in our all-time scoring charts? Definitely now second top scorer in my 40+ years of watching Thistle. Quite incredible for someone who signed at the age of 32 and lost well over half a season's worth of games due to Covid.

More amazingly still is that he was never really anywhere near as prolific before he signed for us. I don’t remember many (including me)being particularly excited when he signed.

[lady-isobel-barnett]

59 minutes ago, Lenziejag said:

Our poor start combined with Falkirk’s great start still makes it a tough ask. As you say for it to be almost within our own hands is quite an achievement for the team. 

You could also add into the equation our inability to get a result on plastic. I'm hoping that could be put down more to our poor start rather than to an ongoing problem. 

[javeajag]

18 hours ago, allyo said:

How many times can you say that and still believe it while we keep winning games?

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[Third Lanark]

5 hours ago, Duke Gekantawa said:

More amazingly still is that he was never really anywhere near as prolific before he signed for us. I don’t remember many (including me)being particularly excited when he signed.

Was he not a regular goalscorer when he was at Morton or Raith?

[Dick Dastardly]

22 minutes ago, Third Lanark said:

Was he not a regular goalscorer when he was at Morton or Raith?

29 in 58 games at Raith, but nothing significant anywhere else. That was in 2011-13 so quite along time ago. Have to say that when he joined I was in the “another one topping up his pension pot” camp. Never thought for a second that he would become a legend 

Edited December 29, 2024 by Dick Dastardly

[partickthedog]

Just now, Dick Dastardly said:

29 in 58 games at Raith, but nothing significant anywhere else

You must have been looking at the same Wiki page, which gives League scoring stats in an easy to read format (there is a much bigger table of all competitions but it is too complicated to take in quickly). 15 from 33 games at East Stirling and 9 from 24 at St Johnstone are also reasonable, but in no way recent. Ross County was 1 per 4 games and everywhere else it was between 1 per 5 and 1 per 6.5 (the worst being Morton).

I appreciate that Brian may often have come off the bench late in games (especially for Premier teams), so his scoring rate may have been better than as indicated above.

 

[partickthedog]

On 12/28/2024 at 7:32 PM, Auld Jag said:

Good to chat to William from the excellent @The Thistle Archive pre match.

I also had the pleasure of meeting William from the Thistle Archive, who certainly dispelled my misconceptions. If I had been asked beforehand which Lord of the Rings character he most resembled, I would have gone for Gandalf, with a flowing white beard, peering at ancient manuscript pages. He actually looks more like a taller version of Pippin, the youthful and cheery hobbit!

Huge credit to William for all the hard work he puts into making the Archive such an excellent repository of all things Thistle. It was great that he was able to enjoy a Thistle victory on one of his occasional visits from Ireland.

[Barney Rubble]

By my rough research - and I willingly stand to be corrected - BBG has 89 goals across 177 games in all competitive fixtures for Thistle.

[Albert's Ghost]

1 minute ago, Barney Rubble said:

By my rough research - and I willingly stand to be corrected - BBG has 89 goals across 177 games in all competitive fixtures for Thistle.

Don't let him hear you say that!  He thinks it's 92.  The Thistle Archive makes it 91.  There was an OG v Inverness which he claimed.

[partickthedog]

2 minutes ago, Barney Rubble said:

By my rough research - and I willingly stand to be corrected - BBG has 89 goals across 177 games in all competitive fixtures for Thistle.

92 seems to be what BBG is claiming. There may be some dubious ones in there, particularly a deflected goal up at Inverness!

[partickthedog]

Just now, partickthedog said:

92 seems to be what BBG is claiming. There may be some dubious ones in there, particularly a deflected goal up at Inverness!

PS Albert ghosted in first!

[Barney Rubble]

21 minutes ago, Albert's Ghost said:

Don't let him hear you say that!  He thinks it's 92.  The Thistle Archive makes it 91.  There was an OG v Inverness which he claimed.

Thank you for this. I suppose it's possible that the figures I looked at may not have been updated to include yesterday's game.

One thing is for sure - that level of goal input from a main striker is going to be very, very difficult to replace once BBG eventually has to move on. Like Ross Docherty, I think his on-field contribution and added value to the Thistle team will only be fully appreciated once he ain't no longer around.

Edited December 29, 2024 by Barney Rubble

[exiledjag]

I haven't, as I have said previously, seen many games this season so not really too knowledgeable about Roberts.

However, from comments on this site and highlights he certainly seems to have been a great signing for the Jags. It will be a pity if he has been recalled. It might even mean the end of our promotion hopes.

I like David Marshall. He is a good safe keeper and will make few mistakes but he doesn't make the saves that Sneddon and that I have seen Roberts make. If Roberts has been recalled I assume we will now be making two January signings - a keeper on loan and a ball winning holding midfielder with a mean streak! Finances allowing.

 

[Dick Dastardly]

6 hours ago, exiledjag said:

I haven't, as I have said previously, seen many games this season so not really too knowledgeable about Roberts.

However, from comments on this site and highlights he certainly seems to have been a great signing for the Jags. It will be a pity if he has been recalled. It might even mean the end of our promotion hopes.

I like David Marshall. He is a good safe keeper and will make few mistakes but he doesn't make the saves that Sneddon and that I have seen Roberts make. If Roberts has been recalled I assume we will now be making two January signings - a keeper on loan and a ball winning holding midfielder with a mean streak! Finances allowing.

 

But what do you think of David Mitchell ? 😀

As McCready has also left, I think we need 2 additional keepers, unless there is someone in the academy who can step up in an emergency 

[Jaggernaut]

1 hour ago, Dick Dastardly said:

But what do you think of David Mitchell ? 😀

As McCready has also left, I think we need 2 additional keepers, unless there is someone in the academy who can step up in an emergency 

Time to recall agent Sneddon from Falkirk.......... 

[elevenone]

7 hours ago, exiledjag said:

I haven't, as I have said previously, seen many games this season so not really too knowledgeable about Roberts.

However, from comments on this site and highlights he certainly seems to have been a great signing for the Jags. It will be a pity if he has been recalled. It might even mean the end of our promotion hopes.

I like David Marshall. He is a good safe keeper and will make few mistakes but he doesn't make the saves that Sneddon and that I have seen Roberts make. If Roberts has been recalled I assume we will now be making two January signings - a keeper on loan and a ball winning holding midfielder with a mean streak! Finances allowing.

 

I have maybe missed this but where is it saying Roberts has been recalled and mentions of David Marshall?  Perhaps in tranche threads hence why I’ve not seen this?

[jaggy]

Rumours on social media, especially with his ‘lap’ along the front of both stands. I was told on Saturday by a family member who is usually reliable with info.

I think the mention of Marshall was a typo for Mitchell 😄

[Duke Gekantawa]

If Roberts does go, which would undoubtedly be a blow, the one silver lining in Mitchell taking over is that our distribution from the back should improve hugely.

[exiledjag]

27 minutes ago, Duke Gekantawa said:

If Roberts does go, which would undoubtedly be a blow, the one silver lining in Mitchell taking over is that our distribution from the back should improve hugely.

Yes apologies  you are correct I meant Mitchell. For a mistake that was a real bummer! 

Though in his prime I would take David Marshall in a jiffy.

[Tom Hosie]

Brian Graham's tally for Partick Thistle stands at 92. 

There is some confusion surrounding two goals. 

The referee's report* gives him the 1st goal in the 3-3 draw at ICT (meaning he officially bagged a hat-trick that evening) while most sources at the time, including myself, credited it as an own goal. As far as official records go though it's Brian Graham's goal. 

Some sources credit him with the equaliser in the 2-2 draw at East Fife during the Covid season when the final touch actually came from Scott Tiffoney. 

In some places his tally is 91, in others 93 but the accurate figure is 92. 

Brian meantime is claiming 192! 

*In much the same way that the referee's report gives the disputed goal at Edinburgh City this season to Dan O'Reilly and not Wasiri Williams. 

[lady-isobel-barnett]

21 hours ago, Duke Gekantawa said:

More amazingly still is that he was never really anywhere near as prolific before he signed for us. I don’t remember many (including me)being particularly excited when he signed.

My arithmetic isn't too reliable these days but I think BG had a slightly better scoring rate before he joined us. Completely natural given his age. 

By my reckoning (I'll make it 92 rather than 91 in this instance) Graham has scored 92 goals in 173 games. That's one goal every 1.88 games. Prior to joining us his record appears to be Played 236 Scored 136. That's one goal every 1.74 games.  

The exceptional Thistle Archive is the place to go for accuracy but to repeat the point I'd like to make is that for striker to even approach his goal per game rate well into his thirties is remarkable. 

And like Duke G and many others at the time I wasn't that warm to Brian signing for us.

[exiledjag]

Regarding BBG.

There is no doubt he is an exceptional 6 yard box player/striker. I would guess that 90% of his goals come from within the 6 yard box.

This in part is due to the Jags playing a formation that accommodates two wide players and, at least in recent seasons, exceptional wing backs.. The more crosses we can make into the 6 yard box the more goals we will score and BBG will score most of them.

BBG also contributes by anticipating where the ball is going and by moving a fraction of a second before the defender. Although he will occasionally get it wrong he mostly guesses correctly. The first goal v Queens Park is a good example. If you watch the highlights you will notice BBG makes his move after Turner takes the free kick thereby staying onside, but before the ball hits the post.He got himself into a position where he could react to most outcomes.

I would have thought defenders would have worked out how to deal with him. Simple, stand goalside of him and move when he moves! From the highlights it looked to me that for  his first goal on Saturday the defender(s) ether stood behind or in front of him and when BBG moved they were still watching the ball flight wondering where it might go. BBG took a chance and anticipated where the ball might go  and guessed right. Result - a brilliantly simple goal for BBG and the Jags.

What a player what a poacher!

I hope he is coaching our other strikers  but can you coach instinct!

 

 

 

 

[partickthedog]

2 hours ago, lady-isobel-barnett said:

By my reckoning (I'll make it 92 rather than 91 in this instance) Graham has scored 92 goals in 173 games. That's one goal every 1.88 games. Prior to joining us his record appears to be Played 236 Scored 136. That's one goal every 1.74 games.  

Unless Wiki is totally wrong, that cannot be right. Raith was the only place where he managed 1 goal per 2 games. In other places his goal return varied but was always less than 1 per 2 games and perhaps  averaged around 1 goal per 4 games. The lowest proportionate return was Morton with 10 goals in 65 games.

It seems to me that rather amazingly being at Thistle has enhanced his prolificity (if that is a word?).

We are all agreed that it is an incredible return from someone we expected to be in the twilight of his career.

[lady-isobel-barnett]

15 minutes ago, partickthedog said:

Unless Wiki is totally wrong, that cannot be right. Raith was the only place where he managed 1 goal per 2 games. In other places his goal return varied but was always less than 1 per 2 games and perhaps  averaged around 1 goal per 4 games. The lowest proportionate return was Morton with 10 goals in 65 games.

It seems to me that rather amazingly being at Thistle has enhanced his prolificity (if that is a word?).

We are all agreed that it is an incredible return from someone we expected to be in the twilight of his career.

This is what I've been going on. Again I state my arithmetic ain't so good these days