Auld Jag Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 After yesterdays heavy defeat we now face Motherwell.Players always say that after a bad result they like to get a game quickly to sort out the things that went wrong.So now is the chance for the players to show they haven't given up and they want to play for the manager.After we lost to Kilmarnock at Firhill we then went on our best run of the season to date and got 7points from the next 3 games.Another defeat and we are on another terrible run of results.A win a must. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Archie needs to change a few things. A back five of McGinn, Devine, Keown, Turnbull with Barton in behind them. Midfield four of Spittal, Erskine, Lawless and Woods. Dools up front. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Archie needs to change a few things. A back five of McGinn, Devine, Keown, Turnbull with Barton in behind them. Midfield four of Spittal, Erskine, Lawless and Woods. Dools up front. Agree with your team, though I might include Edwards rather than Lawless. I concede that neither has exactly been in sparkling form lately, but Edwards does cover more ground. With Woods being an Abdul-like fixed point and Barton coming forward from behind, that might allow Edwards more free rein to get about the park, without (as he currently does) leaving big gaps for the opposition to exploit. Another option (depending on fitness) would be Fraser. More chance of him scoring or at least finding a telling pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 I genuinely think it’s time for Fraser on from the start. He has a few points to prove. I believe he can do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weebaw1 Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 I was surprised Fraser didn't start vs Killie. And even more surprised not to see him thrown on during the debacle. Has Archie decided his future lies elsewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Col Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 The club is paying him to play so get him playing. Try something different Archibald. What you're doing isn't working and to keep doing it is madness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Maybe the artificial pitch was the issue for Fraser, although I do remember him playing and scoring when we won 5-2 at Rugby Park a couple of seasons back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted December 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Next 2 games on Alba,Wednesday night 10pm and Saturday 6pm.Lets hope we will want to watch them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 It’s not rocket science ... either some results or decent performances or a new manager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin energy Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Get the money out Javeajag 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 It’s not rocket science ... either some results or decent performances or a new manager The time for decent performances is gone. We need results and it doesn't matter how we get them. There is no point in playing brilliantly and still getting beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 I'm far from sure that Woods has anything like the dig of Osman but I like the idea of GRE's line up. I too think that Edwards (maybe even Fraser) might be preferable to Wee Stevie but that's nitpicking. That set tho' up is far from ideal in that Turnbull is certainly never a wingback and I don't see McGuinn exactly hitting the byeline. I just feel it's more a case of needs must. Motherwell were impressive in wide positions at Fir Pk and our pitch is I believe wider so defensive minded wingbacks could be useful. Btw the only positive thing about Saturday, apart from the relatively inexpensive pies, was the quality of Woods's corners (from the right). If that's representative of his standard of corner then it's pleasing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggy Bunnet Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 (edited) Living in Edinburgh I went with my neighbour to the Hearts Motherwell game on Saturday. Hearts win 1-0, and Motherwell no great shakes. Hearts full backs poor, but coped with most that Motherwell threw at them down the flanks. Well looked a bit lost without Moult to be honest. Motherwell’s best spell came when they dominated the midfield, where I would say we have been weakest. In fact, Bauben was voted man if he match because he helped Hearts reclaim that area. So I’d be going with what has been suggested elsewhere in shoring up centre midfield and playing Barton further back. I don’t think we have much to fear from Motherwell based on their performance last week, but we’re not exactly oozing in confidence.... Edited December 11, 2017 by Jaggy Bunnet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 The time for decent performances is gone. We need results and it doesn't matter how we get them. There is no point in playing brilliantly and still getting beat. By decent performance I’d be looking for fight, aggression, running their hearts out and generally giving a toss. When teams are all over us we don’t play the dirty game breaking up play, letting their playmakers and ball winners know we’re there, we’re 2nd to every ball, and 2nd to every 2nd ball, we don’t wind up opposition, muscle them out when we can’t out play them, their too nice. The performances I want to see till we can start playing football again is getting right in the face of the opposition, be hard be aggressive, show a bit of passion on the park and on the touchline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 By decent performance I’d be looking for fight, aggression, running their hearts out and generally giving a toss. When teams are all over us we don’t play the dirty game breaking up play, letting their playmakers and ball winners know we’re there, we’re 2nd to every ball, and 2nd to every 2nd ball, we don’t wind up opposition, muscle them out when we can’t out play them, their too nice. The performances I want to see till we can start playing football again is getting right in the face of the opposition, be hard be aggressive, show a bit of passion on the park and on the touchline. All of above. Also on the creative side of things we're woefully slow in distribution. I'm sure our young keepers learn a lot of goalie trade-craft from Cerny. That said Tomas could learn a thing or two from young Jamie Sneddon when it comes to using the ball. Our failure to move the ball out of defence quickly and effectively is exasperating. Further up the park we're not well equipped to deal with the inevitable and often panicky hoofball (inevitably to a long ball to Wee Stevie or Edwards). . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 We’ll probably find a way to lose this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 When Fraser has been coming off the bench, when others around him are knackered, has he looked miles ahead of everyone else? Or has he been at around the same pace as those already on the park for 75 minutes? I'm struggle to understand why you would start him, unless he's fit enough to keep up. Likewise with Woods Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 When Fraser has been coming off the bench, when others around him are knackered, has he looked miles ahead of everyone else? Or has he been at around the same pace as those already on the park for 75 minutes? I'm struggle to understand why you would start him, unless he's fit enough to keep up. Likewise with Woods Trouble we've got just now is regardless of results Archie is more or less going with the same personnel week after week .I would go with Fraser and Woods on Wednesday just for their physicality alone , if we go with Lawless , Spitall and Edwards we'll get battered just as we did at Fir Park. If we compete in the midfield it could allow Spitall etc to come on and possibly be the matchwinner later on in the game , we kinda know how they're going to play so we at least should try to match them . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 Trouble we've got just now is regardless of results Archie is more or less going with the same personnel week after week . I would go with Fraser and Woods on Wednesday just for their physicality alone , if we go with Lawless , Spitall and Edwards we'll get battered just as we did at Fir Park. If we compete in the midfield it could allow Spitall etc to come on and possibly be the matchwinner later on in the game , we kinda know how they're going to play so we at least should try to match them . The trouble Archie has is, his hands are tied and he is having to go with the same 2 in the middle 9f the park, every week. There's no one else. An attacking midfielder and a ball playing midfielder who is only comfortable there, with a tough tackler beside him. As much as I'd love to go with Fraser & Woods, too. I'll ask again, is either anywhere near match fit to be able to deal with the pace of fully fit players. Definetly not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonehJags Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 How long do we need to wait for Fraser to get 'fully fit'. Same goes for Woods. The pair have been on the fringes for about 5/6 weeks now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 The trouble Archie has is, his hands are tied and he is having to go with the same 2 in the middle 9f the park, every week. There's no one else. An attacking midfielder and a ball playing midfielder who is only comfortable there, with a tough tackler beside him. As much as I'd love to go with Fraser & Woods, too. I'll ask again, is either anywhere near match fit to be able to deal with the pace of fully fit players. Definetly not. The only people who would know that are the Sports Science and management teams who know what level they're at but after what I witnessed on Saturday it's worth a shot, they can't be any worse . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angry gaz Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 As much as I'd love to go with Fraser & Woods, too. I'll ask again, is either anywhere near match fit to be able to deal with the pace of fully fit players. Definetly not. So we are basically fecked then .Neither are going to get fit sitting on the bench and Osman is now miraculously supposed to get fit before they do? Barton cant deal with the pace of players either and has the disadvantage of being a sh1tbag and unable to tackle.I have never seen a a player jump out the way of shots so much. Get Fraser and woods on the pitch or they are never going to get fit .Are we waiting for Osman to get fit before them How does that work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 How long do we need to wait for Fraser to get 'fully fit'. Same goes for Woods. The pair have been on the fringes for about 5/6 weeks now. I don't know. I don't even know what Woods injury was. All we were told was he picked up a knock in training. I don't know how serious it was. He'd hardly kicked a ball before joining us. So wasn't match fit when he made his debut off the bench. This would have set him back further. But folk want to start the guy on Wednesday night! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 The only people who would know that are the Sports Science and management teams who know what level they're at but after what I witnessed on Saturday it's worth a shot, they can't be any worse . When you have seen Fraser playing for 15 minutes against knackered players. Was he quicker than them? Was he brushing tired legs aside to win ever ball? Or did he probably look about the same pace? If you look back and think. He wasn't head n shoulders above guys who knocked their pan in for the vast majority of the game. Then you cant seriously think he can compete with a couple of fit, top 6, midfielders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potty trained Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 So we are basically fecked then .Neither are going to get fit sitting on the bench and Osman is now miraculously supposed to get fit before they do? Barton cant deal with the pace of players either and has the disadvantage of being a sh1tbag and unable to tackle.I have never seen a a player jump out the way of shots so much. Get Fraser and woods on the pitch or they are never going to get fit .Are we waiting for Osman to get fit before them How does that work. Sorry. I'm not getting your referencing Osman and him being ahead of them. I think it would be ****** ridiculous to throw in woods and Fraser to start the game. Fraser should be getting nursed back he's been out for most of his time with us. Woods played 15 minutes and wasn't match fit. Got injured and has been out since. But suddenly he's fit enough to start? Regards Barton. Yeah you're probably right to acknowledge it. He's getting torn apart every week on the park. Which makes it even more ridiculous that folk acknowledge he's not good enough to play there... Then come on here and slate him for not being good enough. He'd not a ****** ball winning centre mid. That's not his fckin make up. He's only a midfielder when a ball winning is beside him. Criticising him for not doing the things he's incapable of doing is daft. Regards Osman. I don't know what's going on with him. All over Instagram doing keepy uppies telling everyone he's not far off getting 9n the park. 3 days later and Archie actually went public on an injury, stating Osman still has to see a specialist. Something didn't sit right with Osman doing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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