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[Pinhead]

No being funny but to transform Barnsley would take hundreds of millions, to transfer us into a side capable of Europen football would be peanuts in comparison. Which may be another reason they want us.

[javeajag]

12 minutes ago, Pinhead said:

No being funny but to transform Barnsley would take hundreds of millions, to transfer us into a side capable of Europen football would be peanuts in comparison. Which may be another reason they want us.

Is there any evidence you can find that they actually invest ?

getting into Europe ?! Apart from the ugly sisters Europe costs teams money ! 

[jlsarmy]

3 minutes ago, Pinhead said:

No being funny but to transform Barnsley would take hundreds of millions, to transfer us into a side capable of Europen football would be peanuts in comparison. Which may be another reason they want us.

It wouldn’t take hundred of millions to transform Barnsley, if you look at the teams like Norwich, Aston Villa etc , they’ve certainly spent money on their teams to get to the Premier League but not hundreds of millions.

To get us to anywhere near European football would take a minimum of at least 5 - 10 years IMO , having to overtake Rangers / Celtic , Aberdeen , Hearts , Motherwell, Hibs , Kilmarnock etc ,  all these Clubs have a infrastructure in place and a much bigger fan base .    Not sure if the Investment Company see us a long term plan or not , perhaps David Beattie could enlighten us .

 

[lady-isobel-barnett]

Pinhead's correct in so much as we could get a regular Euro gig easier than Barnsley. But even if roles were reversed I still wouldn't like the idea of us buying raw talent and farming them out to Barnsley. However if we were producing players thru our academy and then farming them out that would be a different story. Alas how unlikely is that scenario?

 

[javeajag]

4 minutes ago, lady-isobel-barnett said:

Pinhead's correct in so much as we could get a regular Euro gig easier than Barnsley. But even if roles were reversed I still wouldn't like the idea of us buying raw talent and farming them out to Barnsley. However if we were producing players thru our academy and then farming them out that would be a different story. Alas how unlikely is that scenario?

 

You don’t need European football with Barnsley you just need to get into the Premiership and your in the money and you don’t need to spend hundreds of millions to do that 

instead of us all speculating why doesn’t our chairman communicate with us ?

[lady-isobel-barnett]

9 minutes ago, javeajag said:

You don’t need European football with Barnsley you just need to get into the Premiership and your in the money and you don’t need to spend hundreds of millions to do that 

instead of us all speculating why doesn’t our chairman communicate with us ?

Maybe missing the point tho' we're probably singing from the same hymn sheet. The cost of transforming a Scottish club into a regular Euro outfit is significantly less than getting an English championship side promoted AND then maintaining their top league status.

Regardless,  this patter is heading down a hypothetical dead end. No one can seriously believe Barnsley would be a feeder club to us. It's just that I, like most of us, can't see the commercial viability, from a billionaire's perspective at least, of us feeding Barnsley FC.

[sandy]

7 hours ago, lady-isobel-barnett said:

That Forres Mechanics Social Club looks tremendous, Sandy. 

Blessed are the Moroccan Beer Makers!

[javeajag]

3 minutes ago, lady-isobel-barnett said:

Maybe missing the point tho' we're probably singing from the same hymn sheet. The cost of transforming a Scottish club into a regular Euro outfit is significantly less than getting an English championship side promoted AND then maintaining their top league status.

Regardless,  this patter is heading down a hypothetical dead end. No one can seriously believe Barnsley would be a feeder club to us. It's just that I, like most of us, can't see the commercial viability, from a billionaire's perspective at least, of us feeding Barnsley FC.

The more you think about this consortium and look at Barnsley the worse it gets  

[allyo]

Killie got very excited about qualifying for Europe but only played a team that we've drawn in the Challenge Cup.

Might not take much to qualify for Europe from Scotland, but you have to be a lot better if you're going to get anywhere. Aberdeen can't do it. If anyone thinks they are looking to transform us into something bigger than Aberdeen.... Well, I have my doubts.

[ClydebankJag]

And if getting into Europe is their aim then a Welsh or Northern Irish club could get them there much quicker and cheaper than buying and transforming Thistle.

 

So far today we’ve had turning cheap signings into millions of ££££ and finding their way into European football. Any other theories what this is all about?

[javeajag]

3 minutes ago, ClydebankJag said:

And if getting into Europe is their aim then a Welsh or Northern Irish club could get them there much quicker and cheaper than buying and transforming Thistle.

 

So far today we’ve had turning cheap signings into millions of ££££ and finding their way into European football. Any other theories what this is all about?

Making money for them 

[One t in Scotland]

2 hours ago, jlsarmy said:

if you look at the teams like Norwich, Aston Villa etc , they’ve certainly spent money on their teams to get to the Premier League but not hundreds of millions.

Villa spent £137.5m on players in the summer.

[scotty]

46 minutes ago, ClydebankJag said:

And if getting into Europe is their aim then a Welsh or Northern Irish club could get them there much quicker and cheaper than buying and transforming Thistle.

 

So far today we’ve had turning cheap signings into millions of ££££ and finding their way into European football. Any other theories what this is all about?

I've put my theory out there and so far no-ones denied it. Still think it's all about setting a precedent.

[jlsarmy]

21 minutes ago, One t in Scotland said:

Villa spent £137.5m on players in the summer.

Get that but they didn’t spend that to get the riches of the Premier League 

[javeajag]

if they won’t invest in Barnsley they won’t invest in us 

[partickthedog]

13 minutes ago, jlsarmy said:

Get that but they didn’t spend that to get the riches of the Premier League 

But Aston Villa felt that they had to spend that to have a reasonable prospect of maintaining their Premier League status for a few seasons at least.

[jlsarmy]

11 minutes ago, partickthedog said:

But Aston Villa felt that they had to spend that to have a reasonable prospect of maintaining their Premier League status for a few seasons at least.

Think they’ll be alright even if they did go down, parachute payments alone are 100 million and I’m sure John McGinn is worth a lot of money now .

Don’t think we’re quite at that level .

[ClydebankJag]

19 minutes ago, partickthedog said:

But Aston Villa felt that they had to spend that to have a reasonable prospect of maintaining their Premier League status for a few seasons at least.

You do realise that income in the  ha,pionship, even for lower placed teams, dwarfs anything we could earn in Scotland don’t you?

[Dick Dastardly]

49 minutes ago, scotty said:

I've put my theory out there and so far no-ones denied it. Still think it's all about setting a precedent.

If it is, then why Thistle ? 

I could be wrong, but I don’t believe that the shareholders were actively looking to sell (if they were then why let JLow become chairman). Therefore they must have approached Thistle when there are cheaper options that would be actively looking to sell.

I also don’t buy the loaning kids as there is no history of them doing that between Nice and Barnsley.

The one thing that probably makes us unique is the lack of debt, so they can take the pot of cash from the reserves then land us with debt without having to deal with a bank.

PS. I would love it if Chien/Conway/whoever were reading this an laughing at our theories

[Norgethistle]

8 hours ago, javeajag said:

if they won’t invest in Barnsley they won’t invest in us 

Barnsley have brought 14 players in spent something like £5million this season

https://www.transfermarkt.com/fc-barnsley/transfers/verein/349

 

[jlsarmy]

1 hour ago, Norgethistle said:

Barnsley have brought 14 players in spent something like £5million this season

https://www.transfermarkt.com/fc-barnsley/transfers/verein/349

 

That’s absolutely peanuts in that division , Rangers spent 7 million on Ryan Kent , Celtic the same on Christopher Julien

They also sold Liam Lindsay for 3 million

Seems they don’t spend on players 

 

[javeajag]

So just for some context ....from accounts 2017/18....Barnsley 

player sales £0m

player purchases £5m one of the lowest in the division 

capital expenditure eg on stadium £0m

currently in the relegation places and fans asking for owners to go 
 

[javeajag]

now when we talk about player sales - buy em cheap sell em high - only works in the English championship for clubs relegated from the premiership 
 

Edited September 30, 2019 by javeajag

[javeajag]

Barnsleys accounts .....they run a tight ship 

Directors remuneration up 41% to £185k
 

[Dick Dastardly]

Not sure that I understand the above. In the first graph, it shows player sales as £0m and the third shows profit on player sales as £4m. 

Even though the directors remuneration is up, £185k aint going to attract a venture capitalist

Edited September 30, 2019 by Dick Dastardly