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12 hours ago, Garscube Road End 2 said:

Seemingly he was a disruptive influence in our relegation season under Archie. Apparently the reason he didn't get a new deal.

Yes, but unless you know what went on, how can you make a fair judgement. He might have had a legitimate grievance and was upset at the time because it wasn’t being taken seriously. You can’t just cast an aspersion against somebody, based on one thing, which seems vague and unclear anyway. And, to be honest WHO was happy, during that particular season? You need something more ‘concrete’ than hearsay, surely. (My opinion, anyway). Players are flesh/blood, not machines. That season, when we lost home and away to Livingston, despite the play-offs being ‘loaded’  in favour of the top tier team surviving, has never been totally explained. Just as that ridiculous SAS-type army caper, that went wrong under Caldwell, never was, nor the fact that Doolan and Erskine were unceremoniously given the ‘order of the boot’ despite their long, excellent service. Mistakes have been made in the past by PTFC management at managerial and board level, but these are never explained and those in the boardroom and the CE usually stay in post. The team manager ‘takes the fall’ usually! If SL was eg dishonest, causing trouble for no good reason, taking drugs, drinking excessively etc that’s a different matter, of course. But, there has to be ‘evidence’ surely!

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I remember it differently to be honest pretty sure Lawless wasn’t playing as much on his last season because Archie preferred other players, I don’t think it had much to do with him being disruptive.

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10 hours ago, Thistle88 said:

I remember it differently to be honest pretty sure Lawless wasn’t playing as much on his last season because Archie preferred other players, I don’t think it had much to do with him 

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6 minutes ago, denismcquadeno.eleven said:

You said previously, you didn’t “…rate him as a person.” What was that based on?

I didn’t say that.

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1 hour ago, Thistle88 said:

I remember it differently to be honest pretty sure Lawless wasn’t playing as much on his last season because Archie preferred other players, I don’t think it had much to do with him being disruptive.

He was forced to play at LWB for a fair few games due to injury. While he was fairly ineffective he seemed to get on with it

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1 hour ago, denismcquadeno.eleven said:

Yes, but unless you know what went on, how can you make a fair judgement. He might have had a legitimate grievance and was upset at the time because it wasn’t being taken seriously. You can’t just cast an aspersion against somebody, based on one thing, which seems vague and unclear anyway. And, to be honest WHO was happy, during that particular season? You need something more ‘concrete’ than hearsay, surely. (My opinion, anyway). Players are flesh/blood, not machines. That season, when we lost home and away to Livingston without even scoring a goal, despite the play-offs being ‘loaded’  in favour of the top tier team surviving, has never been totally explained. Just as that ridiculous SAS-type army caper, that went wrong under Caldwell, never was, nor the fact that Doolan and Erskine were unceremoniously given the ‘order of the boot’ despite their long, excellent service. Mistakes have been made in the past by PTFC management at managerial and board level, but these are never explained and those in the boardroom and the CE usually stay in post. The team manager ‘takes the fall’ usually! If SL was eg dishonest, causing trouble for no good reason, taking drugs, drinking excessively etc that’s a different matter, of course. But, there has to be ‘evidence’ surely!

We took the lead early on in the first leg v Livvy but I take your points. There were players who performed to a much lower standard than Stevie Lawless that season

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6 minutes ago, jaggy said:

He was forced to play at LWB for a fair few games due to injury. While he was fairly ineffective he seemed to get on with it

Exactly!  Lawless gave 100% while playing in an alien position.  His lack of physical presence was always going to a problem at LWB but it took Archie weeks to appreciate this.

Stevie never shirked this. It’s utter nonsense to question his attitude. If I was Stevie I’d have told the manager to stuff it. It was crass stupidity.

I’m hoping he can unlock the penalty box door which none of our midfielders managed last season so that we have an alternative attack strategy to Tiff.  Sure, he may be past his best but I’m looking forward to seeing his skills again which are way above the present incumbents.
 

 

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14 minutes ago, jaggy said:

He was forced to play at LWB for a fair few games due to injury. While he was fairly ineffective he seemed to get on with it

He fell out of favour early on that season, but as far as I can remember the only decent run of games we had was when we had injures and he got put to LWB. And yeah funnily enough he was actually one of the players that looked like he was giving 100%.

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6 hours ago, denismcquadeno.eleven said:

Yes, but unless you know what went on, how can you make a fair judgement. He might have had a legitimate grievance and was upset at the time because it wasn’t being taken seriously. You can’t just cast an aspersion against somebody, based on one thing, which seems vague and unclear anyway. And, to be honest WHO was happy, during that particular season? You need something more ‘concrete’ than hearsay, surely. (My opinion, anyway). Players are flesh/blood, not machines. That season, when we lost home and away to Livingston without even scoring a goal, despite the play-offs being ‘loaded’  in favour of the top tier team surviving, has never been totally explained. Just as that ridiculous SAS-type army caper, that went wrong under Caldwell, never was, nor the fact that Doolan and Erskine were unceremoniously given the ‘order of the boot’ despite their long, excellent service. Mistakes have been made in the past by PTFC management at managerial and board level, but these are never explained and those in the boardroom and the CE usually stay in post. The team manager ‘takes the fall’ usually! If SL was eg dishonest, causing trouble for no good reason, taking drugs, drinking excessively etc that’s a different matter, of course. But, there has to be ‘evidence’ surely!

Look at my post. I used tge words 'apparently and ' seemingly' . Nowhere did I say he was disruptive. As for misdemeanours, what about his betting capers?

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11 hours ago, denismcquadeno.eleven said:

You can’t just leave it at this surely. I only know of him as a footballer and not his ‘character.’ What’s he done that leads you to condemn him “as a person”?

:thinking:

Could the clue be in his surname?

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He would have ended up LWB because we signed Milan Nitriansky. That signing along with 'that' abysmal defeat away to Ross County should have been enough to see Archie out the door, however the board stuck, and the rest as they say is history

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4 hours ago, Garscube Road End 2 said:

Look at my post. I used tge words 'apparently and ' seemingly' . Nowhere did I say he was disruptive. As for misdemeanours, what about his betting capers?

 I used ‘you’ in the same way some (sometimes posh!) people use ‘one’ ie it wasn’t directed at only you. If he had a gambling problem-and didn’t recognise it as such ie seeking help eg Gamblers Anonymous-then that could have been a legitimate reason for letting him go. If there was some other problem and he didn’t acknowledge it and tried to change, that might also apply. I don’t know anything about his personal life. I only know about him playing football. I’m not supporting him, if there WERE legitimate reasons for letting him go. I’m just trying to be fair to a man we’ve just contracted for another period of employment. I’m not criticising you. Sometimes people jump to conclusions-hopefully not you-I was making that general point to the ‘wider audience’ on here.

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9 hours ago, jaggy said:

We took the lead early on in the first leg v Livvy but I take your points. There were players who performed to a much lower standard than Stevie Lawless that season

You’re right about the score, my mistake. I’ve corrected it above.

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I know much has been said about Steven Lawless already but I don't think he was great the last 2 seasons with Thistle including our top 6 finish. I hope I am wrong but think he is going to be much the same type of player as Turner and Murray(I know he's left now). He won't add any pace to the team which we really need in the wide areas. Milne and Tiffoney I think will be good but really need a right back and right mid/winger with a bit of pace hope Mccall has a right back lined up and think fitzpatrick would be another good resigning

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What doesn’t sit comfortably with me is Stevie’s very public views on the Old Firm. I know that most players in the squad will have their own preferences one way or the other, but Stevie has been very public with his.

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14 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said:

What doesn’t sit comfortably with me is Stevie’s very public views on the Old Firm. I know that most players in the squad will have their own preferences one way or the other, but Stevie has been very public with his.

When you say made public, do you mean on his (personal) Facebook account?

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5 minutes ago, javeajag said:

I hope one of the 2 midfielders isn’t Crawford but no doubt it will be, I’m surprised we are looking for another CB though. We have Brownlie, Akinola, Muirhead and Holt who can all play There. Seems like quite a lot. 

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1 hour ago, Dick Dastardly said:

What doesn’t sit comfortably with me is Stevie’s very public views on the Old Firm. I know that most players in the squad will have their own preferences one way or the other, but Stevie has been very public with his.

Sorry, but though I follow BBC Scottish football news and that of the Glasgow Times and Daily Record etc where possible I know nothing of this. Is he a big fan of one of the OF, makes comments about the other like eg Kris Boyd or Chris Sutton?

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We’re being linked with Cole McKinnon (19) from Rangers on loan, apparently 

If true, hopefully as good as Donnie and Dave 

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4 hours ago, Heppy C said:

I know much has been said about Steven Lawless already but I don't think he was great the last 2 seasons with Thistle including our top 6 finish. I hope I am wrong but think he is going to be much the same type of player as Turner and Murray(I know he's left now). He won't add any pace to the team which we really need in the wide areas. Milne and Tiffoney I think will be good but really need a right back and right mid/winger with a bit of pace hope Mccall has a right back lined up and think fitzpatrick would be another good resigning

Is the right back not McMillan?

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On 6/16/2022 at 5:46 PM, exiledjag said:

Afraid I don't go along with the enthusiasm for the Lawless signing.

For a variety of reasons I have never really taken to him and think this could be a very bad signing.  A good footballer but I don't rate him as a person. I will not be surprised if the United dressing room feeling we have enjoyed under McCall starts to disappear!

What a lot of nonsense people talk in this forum , a football team is no different from any other business/ team and is made up of different characters .

Stevie’s flaws have been well documented ( gambling ) but that shouldn’t lead to a character assassination against him.

If Stevie Lawless gets the right players round about him and he replicates his Livi form with goals and assists, he’ll be a huge asset for us .

 

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