Loaned Players: Subsequent Careers

[Jaggernaut]

This question randomly (?) came to me as I was frying up tonight's dinner (not loaned).:

What players who've come to us on loan have returned to their "parent" club and gone one to be a big success with the team that lent them to us?

Anybody?

I thought: maybe Dorrans and Wilkinson did "pretty" well. But who else (particularly OF players) went on to show that they had benefited from playing for PTFC and also significantly benefited PTFC? And I started to think about this especially from the point of view of "OF" loanees.....

Has anybody from either of the two erse cheeks who came to us on loan ever gone on to become a big success at either porkheid or eyepox? If not, doesn't this say something about our continued willingness to beg for take on what maybe those clubs have already identified as expendable (or even dross)? If so, why do we keep on doing it?

One could argue that it's almost a (small) part of the overall scheme within Scottish football to preserve the privileged position of the two erse cheek teams at all costs, including the future of the clubs that take on those rejects loanees.

[Stephen1876]

Strangely a guy who had a really decent lower league career in England, but was dross for us, was Lucas Akins 

[Dick Dastardly]

Did Jukka Santala not go onto a decent career back in Finland

[jaggy]

Robert Fleck done not too bad but iirc he only played about 2 or 3 games for us due to postponents. That was a long time ago though!

[jaggy]

And the awful Stevie Lennon became a bit of a star in Iceland

[Dick Dastardly]

Not from OF, but Osman Kakay is a regular with QPR

[Jordanhill Jag]

Billy Dodds ? 

& one for the Older Fans 

Eddie Prudham 😀

 

[watties wallies]

Bill Shankly

[elevenone]

Think Colin West scored on his Chelsea debut after being with us.  Not sure if he amounted to much though after that.

[partickthedog]

Have lost touch with exactly where Lyle Taylor is now, but he seems to have had a very decent career in England without quite making it into the top tier.

[partickthedog]

Lewis Mayo now signed by Kilmarnock and seems to be an established Scottish Premiership player.

[jags on tour]

I suppose Ryan McGowan done not too bad after being on loan with us in 2011,  he played at the World Cup a few years later!

[Lambies Lost Doo]

1 hour ago, partickthedog said:

Have lost touch with exactly where Lyle Taylor is now, but he seems to have had a very decent career in England without quite making it into the top tier.

Loved Lyle Taylor

[partickthedog]

Never quite understood why Leon Constantine’s loan spell in 2002 lasted for only 2 games. 100% win record and got to take part in a Martin Hardie funky chicken goal celebration at Falkirk. Went on to play for 20 clubs in lower reaches of English leagues and also non league. 91 goals in total, including 2 very prolific goal every second game spells at Southend and Port Vale. At one point rose as high as Leeds United.

[Lenziejag]

14 hours ago, Jaggernaut said:

This question randomly (?) came to me as I was frying up tonight's dinner (not loaned).:

What players who've come to us on loan have returned to their "parent" club and gone one to be a big success with the team that lent them to us?

Anybody?

I thought: maybe Dorrans and Wilkinson did "pretty" well. But who else (particularly OF players) went on to show that they had benefited from playing for PTFC and also significantly benefited PTFC? And I started to think about this especially from the point of view of "OF" loanees.....

Has anybody from either of the two erse cheeks who came to us on loan ever gone on to become a big success at either porkheid or eyepox? If not, doesn't this say something about our continued willingness to beg for take on what maybe those clubs have already identified as expendable (or even dross)? If so, why do we keep on doing it?

One could argue that it's almost a (small) part of the overall scheme within Scottish football to preserve the privileged position of the two erse cheek teams at all costs, including the future of the clubs that take on those rejects loanees.

You could almost say the same about players we loan to other clubs. But just as an aside, what is the point in going on and on about the old firm.(not you in particular).It’s not going to change and it just diverts focus. 

[Jaggernaut]

3 hours ago, Lenziejag said:

You could almost say the same about players we loan to other clubs. But just as an aside, what is the point in going on and on about the old firm.(not you in particular).It’s not going to change and it just diverts focus. 

That's right. So, from all the responses, it seems that players who go out on loan might well go on to have a successful career, but rarely at the club who sent them out on loan! (Doolan is one of the rare exceptions.) 

In other words, being told by the boss that "You're going out on loan to get more experience" for 90% of the players means that "You're already heading out the door."

[Lenziejag]

9 minutes ago, Jaggernaut said:

That's right. So, from all the responses, it seems that players who go out on loan might well go on to have a successful career, but rarely at the club who sent them out on loan! (Doolan is one of the rare exceptions.) 

In other words, being told by the boss that "You're going out on loan to get more experience" for 90% of the players means that "You're already heading out the door."

You could also add Bannigan, although his injury has certainly had a deteriorating effect on him. And, it is early days but fingers crossed James Lyon has success with us. 

[Duke Gekantawa]

Penrice was loaned out to Livi, came back to be a regular starter and then effectively sold for a fee (i.e., he was swapped for Tiffoney who otherwise would have cost a fee).

[lady-isobel-barnett]

For me there's two categories of loanee. There's the standard thought to have potential type loanee (usually a youngster) that's sent out from his parent club to get game time.  Then there's the ones sent out from s club (perhaps to reduce their wage bill) that we've a chance of signing. I suppose their club may look on them as potentially surplus to requirement. Ones we've a good chance of signing the following season. Balatoni, Welsh, Tiffoney, Erskine (return) all spring to mind. There's something just a bit more joiny up about bringing in a player on loan who we've a chance to sign. Doesn't always work out like Keown, but normally there's that bit extra insurance knowing the guy will fit in.

[partickthedog]

James Craigen and Christie Elliott both went out on loan and came back to moderately successful Partick Thistle careers.

Any benefit that may have come from Kevin Nisbet's various loans did not accrue to Thistle.

[lady-isobel-barnett]

20 minutes ago, partickthedog said:

Any benefit that may have come from Kevin Nisbet's various loans did not accrue to Thistle.

It's often the other way round. We send hopefuls out when they're OK mentally for a loan spell but perhaps not quite up to the physicality of the lower leagues. Kevin was physically up for it. In fact he was no longer benefitting much from U20s/Reserve football for that very reason. Unfortunately for us and his early career he probably (self admitted)wasn't there mentality wise. 

[sandy]

On 8/16/2023 at 10:32 AM, lady-isobel-barnett said:

For me there's two categories of loanee. There's the standard thought to have potential type loanee (usually a youngster) that's sent out from his parent club to get game time.  Then there's the ones sent out from s club (perhaps to reduce their wage bill) that we've a chance of signing. I suppose their club may look on them as potentially surplus to requirement. Ones we've a good chance of signing the following season. Balatoni, Welsh, Tiffoney, Erskine (return) all spring to mind. There's something just a bit more joiny up about bringing in a player on loan who we've a chance to sign. Doesn't always work out like Keown, but normally there's that bit extra insurance knowing the guy will fit in.

Keown was good in his first season for us, seemed to lose confidence & form after that 

[Auld Jag]

Conor Hazard, sold by Celtic to Plymouth, now playing in the EFL Championship.

[Juanito]

Kal Naismith, carved out a decent career in the second tier of English football after a pretty average loan spell with Thistle?

[Jaggernaut]

Of course, plenty of players who have been on loan at Thistle have gone on to have decent or even very good careers.

But the original question was how many became stars at the club that loaned the player to us. It seems..... none.