Big Col Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 (edited) A previous connection to the club should in no way be an advantage over other applicants. The successful candidate must be selected on merit alone. Some of the names mentioned would be a backwards step. Edited February 4 by Big Col 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 14 minutes ago, Duke Gekantawa said: There were many other successes, And Azeez was excellent for us, absolutely instrumental in finishing top 6 (he played every game) and was then sold for a fee. How on earth you can consider that a bad signing I don’t know. Somehow blaming him for not predicting Dumbaya would snap his achilles is a reach. Obviously there were some real duffers (there always are), but this idea that we achieved 5 premiership seasons based on Doolan, Lawless, Erskine and O’Donnell is nonsense. In any case he (re-)signed Erskine. Bringing a player back is still a signing (i.e., Crawford is now a Doolan signing for which he takes responsibility). I don’t understand why we keep putting our most successful manager this century down. You are delusional if you think Azeez was excellent. A striker who scored a total of 3 goals and one of them was against Stenhousemuir. He was instrumental in us not finishing 4th and qualifying for Europe. Never seen a striker miss so many chances. If he had even taken half his howlers we would have finished considerably higher. We even paid AFC Wimbledon a fee for him. As a striker he was dreadful. im presume your view of excellent of Dumbaya was based solely on the 2 months where he was and conveniently ignoring the fact he was injured for the remaining 2 years and 6 months. Also completely forgetting that he went completely awol for the massive game at home against Livingston in the playoffs despite still being paid a wage and completely letting down his team mates and the fans. Completely unprofessional. Also if Archie had maybe did his research he would have seen that Dumbaya had drifted from club to club and had regular bouts of injuries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Jag Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 3 minutes ago, Third Lanark said: He was instrumental in us not finishing 4th and qualifying for Europe. Thank you for making me laugh, TL. Actual belly laugh. St Johnstone finished 16 (SIXTEEN) points ahead of us that season, with a goal difference that was 20 (TWENTY) better. But sure, the guy who played 90 minutes just 6 times in the league all season was why we didn't get into Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Woodstock Jag said: Thank you for making me laugh, TL. Actual belly laugh. St Johnstone finished 16 (SIXTEEN) points ahead of us that season, with a goal difference that was 20 (TWENTY) better. But sure, the guy who played 90 minutes just 6 times in the league all season was why we didn't get into Europe. Well if he had actually did what he was paid to do Graeme and actually score goal’s instead of missing them we may not have fallen so far behind. Goals win matches and as a striker he had an appalling number of misses. If you regard him as an excellent signing then you are of course entitled to your opinion Edited February 4 by Third Lanark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Jag Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 5 minutes ago, Third Lanark said: Well if he had actually did what he was paid to do Graeme and actually score goal’s instead of missing them we may not have fallen so far behind. Goals win matches and as a striker he had an appalling number of misses. If you regard him as an excellent signing then you are of course entitled to your opinion No, I think he was thoroughly mediocre. Didn't score enough. But he wasn't why Partick Thistle, a football team that hasn't finished in the top 4 of Scottish football since the invention of Nutella, AstroTurf, the Ford Transit, Kevlar and the Apollo spacecraft, failed to close a 16 point gap over St Johnstone. You were barely even born the last time Thistle even finished a distant 5th under 2 points for a win! Ade Azeez isn't why Alan Archibald's team didn't qualify for Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenski Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 1 hour ago, erty13 said: I think the board have finally woken up and realised that Doolan can not be trusted to build a squad. We pay big wages for senior players and give emerging talent no chance of developing. We carry the cost of an academy but do hot know how to progress players into the first team. Or maybe it's Doolan has quite a small coaching team. And if we want to deal at the hidden gems and young talent end of the market, with a view to keeping costs down and making profits, we're going to need someone on it more or less full-time. Maybe the infamous football committee was an attempt to do that, which they've now decided wasn't working. I like how the board are up for trying different things, and not set on working just the one way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derby Jag Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 No offence TL but this take is absolutely ludicrous. Our most successful side and manager in decades and decades but let's completely dismiss them. We had very probably the 2nd lowest budget in the league that year yet the likes of Edwards, Azeez, Booth, Osman, Barton, Cerny and Amoo were fantastic signings for us and all played a massive part in that successful season. Also just for the record I bloody loved Azeez. He worked so hard, bullied defenders and created so many opportunities and space for other attackers. Azeez starting to be replaced with Doolan was probably my favourite striking duo in 40 years supporting this club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter of '63 Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 So apart from our highest League finish in over 30 years and signing Cerny, Paul Gallagher, Dumbuya, Booth, Frans, Barton (first season!), Osman, Erskine , Taylor and Higgy what did Archibald ever do for us? Maybe he should have noted from his drink driving conviction that Ryan Stevenson would be a useless waster. Not sure that Archie would be a candidate but given that our budget has been poorly spent this year, a change in the player signing & development strategy would be welcome - apart from Roberts & Milne, none of the payers who have left will be missed...and Crawford is still here. Looks like this season has been written off and not looking great for next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 1 minute ago, Derby Jag said: No offence TL but this take is absolutely ludicrous. Our most successful side and manager in decades and decades but let's completely dismiss them. We had very probably the 2nd lowest budget in the league that year yet the likes of Edwards, Azeez, Booth, Osman, Barton, Cerny and Amoo were fantastic signings for us and all played a massive part in that successful season. Also just for the record I bloody loved Azeez. He worked so hard, bullied defenders and created so many opportunities and space for other attackers. Azeez starting to be replaced with Doolan was probably my favourite striking duo in 40 years supporting this club. I didn’t dismiss Archie I said he was a good coach. He’s also a good youth coach. I am critical of him on the signing front and said a lot of his signings were very poor. That’s not criticism of his ability in regards to being a coach and youth coach it’s as I said a criticism of a number of signings Fair enough you think Azeez was excellent but as far as I am concerned he was a striker whose conversion rate was shocking. Barton had a great first season but his attitude second season was absolutely appalling, stinking to be fair and I would class him nowhere near as fantastic. Completely undone all his good work the previous season and actually one of the ones who undermined Archie as a result. I can see why you thought him as a fantastic signing first season but given he was hear for 2 seasons and was utterly appalling in the second season no idea how you maintain it was a fantastic signing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 1 minute ago, Winter of '63 said: So apart from our highest League finish in over 30 years and signing Cerny, Paul Gallagher, Dumbuya, Booth, Frans, Barton (first season!), Osman, Erskine , Taylor and Higgy what did Archibald ever do for us? Maybe he should have noted from his drink driving conviction that Ryan Stevenson would be a useless waster. Not sure that Archie would be a candidate but given that our budget has been poorly spent this year, a change in the player signing & development strategy would be welcome - apart from Roberts & Milne, none of the payers who have left will be missed...and Crawford is still here. Looks like this season has been written off and not looking great for next year. Red and yellow glasses with Dumbaya and Barton as I mentioned. How can dumba2 months great out of a 3 year deal be fantastic and then add in his walking out the club while still being paid before the Livi game. Barton’s appalling attitude second season more than damaged his great first season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Very Bitter Jag Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 3 hours ago, Dick Dastardly said: If McCall ever comes back to Thistle, That is me done with the club. End of. I come in peace. Just genuinely asking why you hate McCall so much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 8 hours ago, Very Bitter Jag said: I come in peace. Just genuinely asking why you hate McCall so much? My one experience of meeting him was a very unpleasant experience. Let’s leave it at that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted February 5 Author Report Share Posted February 5 I would be happy if the new sporting director wasn’t Archibald or McCall or indeed had no connection with the club but was really really good at their job. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen1876 Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 I’m not sure what he is up to these days but I wouldn’t be surprised if Jackie McNamara fulfilled that role. He certainly had an eye for good young Scottish talent at Thistle and Dundee Utd. Is he still in his role at the Pars? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Very Bitter Jag Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 34 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: My one experience of meeting him was a very unpleasant experience. Let’s leave it at that Fair enough. Must have been some meeting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kenny Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 Where has all the Archibald chat come from anyway? He's currently in a very good role with McInnes at Kilmarnock that could potentially lead to bigger jobs if McInnes moves on. Agree with Javeajag, as long as the person is the most suited applicant, who cares if they have a connection to Thistle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 24 minutes ago, King Kenny said: Where has all the Archibald chat come from anyway? He's currently in a very good role with McInnes at Kilmarnock that could potentially lead to bigger jobs if McInnes moves on. Agree with Javeajag, as long as the person is the most suited applicant, who cares if they have a connection to Thistle. No idea why Archibald’s name has come up , like nearly every other manager at Premier League and Championship Level the pressure of trying to win games supersedes blooding young players Someone like Stephen Craigan would be a good fit after the job he did at Motherwell with youth development Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laukat Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 1 hour ago, Stephen1876 said: I’m not sure what he is up to these days but I wouldn’t be surprised if Jackie McNamara fulfilled that role. He certainly had an eye for good young Scottish talent at Thistle and Dundee Utd. Is he still in his role at the Pars? McNamara runs the consillum sports groups so is the agent of all players signed to that group. Airdrie have been almost exclusively signing players from that agency for the last few seasons. So in effect he is Airdrie's head of recruitment. Not overly impressed with what he's done there and given how much money he took us for after he left it would be a no from me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jag Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 A Sporting Director is highly unlikely to be an ex-manager or player just walking straight in to a role. It's not a case of somebody just coming in 'upstairs'. The candidates that apply will most likely be educated on Sports Directorship and only those who have graduated should be considered. That's not to say it couldn't be an ex-pro that does so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 2 hours ago, King Kenny said: Where has all the Archibald chat come from anyway? He's currently in a very good role with McInnes at Kilmarnock that could potentially lead to bigger jobs if McInnes moves on. Agree with Javeajag, as long as the person is the most suited applicant, who cares if they have a connection to Thistle. Oh, it doesn't seem that long ago that Archie got the job as Motherwell's youth coach. Or did I get that wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 14 hours ago, Third Lanark said: You are delusional if you think Azeez was excellent. A striker who scored a total of 3 goals and one of them was against Stenhousemuir. He was instrumental in us not finishing 4th and qualifying for Europe. Never seen a striker miss so many chances. If he had even taken half his howlers we would have finished considerably higher. We even paid AFC Wimbledon a fee for him. As a striker he was dreadful. Of course both you and Duke G can both be correct. Azeez could well be credited with our top six finish. We collected a lot of points by not defending too deep partly due to Azeez causing a nuisance further up the park. But as a goalscorer you're right, he was indeed poor. However the same can be said for his replacement, Myles Storey, equally poor at hitting the net. I know who I would prefer to come on the pitch later on. Btw I thought Calum Booth was an excellent signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kenny Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 17 minutes ago, Jaggernaut said: Oh, it doesn't seem that long ago that Archie got the job as Motherwell's youth coach. Or did I get that wrong? You're correct but I think he was only there a matter of months before he moved to Killie to become First Team Coach. I think Richard Foster took over the role that Archie left at Motherwell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 3 minutes ago, lady-isobel-barnett said: Of course both you and Duke G can both be correct. Azeez could well be credited with our top six finish. We collected a lot of points by not defending too deep partly due to Azeez causing a nuisance further up the park. But as a goalscorer you're right, he was indeed poor. However the same can be said for his replacement, Myles Storey, equally poor at hitting the net. I know who I would prefer to come on the pitch later on. Btw I thought Calum Booth was an excellent signing. I agree Storey was appalling. Azeez at least tried, Storey didnt look interested half the time. I didnt mention Storey was because he was not part of the club top 6 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 4 hours ago, Dick Dastardly said: My one experience of meeting him was a very unpleasant experience. Let’s leave it at that Hardly rules him out of contention because of your personal experience ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emsca Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 8 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said: Hardly rules him out of contention because of your personal experience ? He just said that would be him done with the club if McCall came back . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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