jlsarmy Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 10 hours ago, Jaggernaut said: That's kind of my worry. The manager/coach has the results and performance on the field as measures of his or her performance. What criteria are used to evaluate a sporting director's performance, and how long would he or she be allowed to keep their position if there is no improvement, or worse, a serious slump? It’s an absolute nonsense going in this direction and I believe the remuneration probably on offer is a stumbling block to get an experienced SD within football. It’s obviously going to impact the playing budget within our Club which won’t help the new management team. Ill thought out plan by our Board of Directors 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert's Ghost Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 1 hour ago, Jordanhill Jag said: ref who gets the blame if we don't perform Depends who the ref is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 2 hours ago, jlsarmy said: It’s an absolute nonsense going in this direction and I believe the remuneration probably on offer is a stumbling block to get an experienced SD within football. It’s obviously going to impact the playing budget within our Club which won’t help the new management team. Ill thought out plan by our Board of Directors What’s the remuneration on offer ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 10 minutes ago, javeajag said: What’s the remuneration on offer ? I’m probably making an educated guess , probably in the region of 70/80 k per year which isn’t great in football terms for a Sporting Director. Just now we’re advertising for a business development manager @ 40k per year which says it all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 50 minutes ago, jlsarmy said: I’m probably making an educated guess , probably in the region of 70/80 k per year which isn’t great in football terms for a Sporting Director. Just now we’re advertising for a business development manager @ 40k per year which says it all I can't imagine a Business Development Manager on a straight salary. Surely there would be sizeable performance related element to such a position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 I assume the SD will get paid paid more than the Head Coach and if so will that limit who we can attract as HC? As far as the first team is concerned the HC is the most important person Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 12 hours ago, Ancipital said: It's not a direct comparison obviously, but this model is roughly similar to what happens in the NFL, where a General Manager has responsibility for signings so would be similar to our sporting director, and a head coach for tactics and in game coaching. 7 NFL teams sacked their head coach either during or at the end of the season that finished last month. Of those, 3 have also sacked the GM so just under half of those teams are ripping the whole thing up and starting again rather than just appointing a new head coach. Admittedly easier when there's no threat of relegation but still shows it's not necessarily a long term appointment. Bellichik did both jobs and that turned out a disaster for the Patriots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 1 hour ago, jlsarmy said: I’m probably making an educated guess , probably in the region of 70/80 k per year which isn’t great in football terms for a Sporting Director. Just now we’re advertising for a business development manager @ 40k per year which says it all Ok educated guess equals I don’t know ……how much do sporting directors earn in Scotland ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 (edited) 39 minutes ago, lady-isobel-barnett said: I can't imagine a Business Development Manager on a straight salary. Surely there would be sizeable performance related element to such a position. I’m sure there will be incentives but the ambiguity of that probably won’t make it that enticing if you’re trying to pay your mortgage. I work within the Hospitality Sector and the salary of General Manager is circa £35k per year . Not sure the jobs are comparable in terms of qualifications etc Re Business Development, it’s easier to attract advertising etc if the product on the park is right , IMO businesses want to be associated with a successful team ,possibly that’s the part we should try to get right first. Edited March 8 by jlsarmy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 5 minutes ago, javeajag said: Ok educated guess equals I don’t know ……how much do sporting directors earn in Scotland ? Tell me if there any Sporting Directors in the Championship at our level ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted March 9 Report Share Posted March 9 8 hours ago, jlsarmy said: Tell me if there any Sporting Directors in the Championship at our level ? Hamilton have one, I believe . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljaggo Posted March 9 Report Share Posted March 9 Because of budget constraints, we will end up with mediocre appointments to both the sporting director and manager posts. And that is to ignore the de facto reductionon the player budget. We should appoint a better quality manager. The appointment of a sporting director is lunacy. Whose idea was it? Names please. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted March 9 Report Share Posted March 9 10 hours ago, jlsarmy said: Tell me if there any Sporting Directors in the Championship at our level ? Gerry strain is director of football at Hamilton….. according to glass door the average salary of a director of football operations in the UK is £78k in my view this is a welcome initiative……let’s see how it works in practice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jag Posted March 9 Report Share Posted March 9 On 3/8/2025 at 7:19 AM, Lenziejag said: People probably said that when we moved from picking the team by committee to first appointing a manager. It’s a different structure. The Sporting Director spends his time finding recruiting and the coach coaches. It seems to be the modern way. Correct. Football moves on. I agree that a Sporting Director is the modern way and I definitely see it's values. I'm just not convinced yet that we need one at a club our size. Or is it the case that we become a bigger and better club because of it? Time will tell. For me, the issue is getting a proper Sporting Director. One that is qualified. It's not just a case of an ex-footballer or ex-coach swapping his trackies for a suit and 'moving upstairs'. Although it is likely to be an ex-pro, it is not a necessity. The cynic in me thinks it's a bit pie in the sky thinking from a GM that seems to have the ear of a board that is not experienced enough to see the possible pitfalls. It's someone that can take a lot of the workload from the office and someone else to point the finger at when things go wrong. The optimist in me sees it as a great opportunity to cast the recruitment net out, increase the professionalism at the club and be able to attract better players and coaches to Firhill. I'm kinda stuck in cynical mode at the moment. Mainly because I don't trust the powers that be to make the correct decision appointing the correct person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jag Posted March 9 Report Share Posted March 9 11 hours ago, lady-isobel-barnett said: I can't imagine a Business Development Manager on a straight salary. Surely there would be sizeable performance related element to such a position. It was advertised at circa £40k plus commission/bonuses. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jag Posted March 9 Report Share Posted March 9 11 hours ago, jlsarmy said: Tell me if there any Sporting Directors in the Championship at our level ? Andrew Barrowman was Sporting Director at Kelty Hearts before moving to Raith Rovers as Chief Exec, where he was relieved of his duties last month. I'd be really surprised if he hasn't applied for the role at Firhill. Hamilton have one as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jag Posted March 9 Report Share Posted March 9 https://thepfsa.co.uk/careers/sporting-director/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow & Redneck Posted March 9 Report Share Posted March 9 Would be happy with Barrowman. The guy has been employed by almost every club in Scotland, and must have an extensive list of player/manager contacts. Something we have been missing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted March 9 Report Share Posted March 9 15 hours ago, Lenziejag said: Hamilton have one, I believe . It they have one, they'll be hoping he can direct them to avoiding relegation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggymct Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 Ian McCall spotted at Firhill presumably for an interview. Would be a backwards step I feel. We should be looking to modernise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 28 minutes ago, jaggymct said: Ian McCall spotted at Firhill presumably for an interview. Would be a backwards step I feel. We should be looking to modernise. If that happens, I am out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1876 Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 9 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: If that happens, I am out. I will also be joining you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggymct Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 Not sure I’d be out but would not be happy at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandyellowallover Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 On 3/8/2025 at 10:25 PM, jaggy said: Bellichik did both jobs and that turned out a disaster for the Patriots Would disagree with that, last few years weren't great but overall it was hugely successful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 3 minutes ago, redandyellowallover said: Would disagree with that, last few years weren't great but overall it was hugely successful. Fair point. I thought he only became GM in recent years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.