laukat Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 If we're offering £40k p.a. as a wage I'm not sure what sort of candidate we expect to recruit? At this level there aren't many experienced candidates available and the money on offer isn't going to be enough to entice people to relocate If its say McCall or Barrowman well I'd rather for for McCall when you compare the players McCall has found versus what Barrowman did for Raith. Also if Graham is the head coach does he not need someone a lot more experienced such as McCall who he presumably has a decent relationship with already? I could see McCall being quote good with youth development and identifying signing targets, that was always his strength. Where McCall might be more of an issue was on budgets. If he's sporting director then is he not meant to be the guy saying we can only afford so much, whereas as a manager he was always pressuring the board to release funds for more players. So what we he do if his signings didn't work out? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 Where are you getting £40k from? Is that not for the business development manager? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laukat Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 3 minutes ago, jaggy said: Where are you getting £40k from? Is that not for the business development manager? Apologies, looking at the advert for sporting director is just says "negotiable plus performance related bonus" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 I’ve no idea what the going rate for SD & HC would be, but logic would dictate the SD gets a higher salary, which I’m hoping might not put off potential HC candidates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Col Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 I’d be really disappointed if McCall is being considered for any position at Firhill. He was sacked for good reason and is part of the past. If he’s appointed, you really need to question the competence of the board of directors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambies Lost Doo Posted March 13 Author Report Share Posted March 13 I love McCall. Can spot a player. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 2 hours ago, Lambies Lost Doo said: I love McCall. Can spot a player. Agree. If it was as a manager or coach it would be a definite no for me. But as a SD looking for players is ideal for him 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagtastic Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 37 minutes ago, Third Lanark said: Agree. If it was as a manager or coach it would be a definite no for me. But as a SD looking for players is ideal for him There's more to being a SD than just looking for players though. That's just a scout. I'd have serious concerns about McCall's experience, abilities and general persona transfering into a board level strategic role. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 3 hours ago, Big Col said: I’d be really disappointed if McCall is being considered for any position at Firhill. He was sacked for good reason and is part of the past. If he’s appointed, you really need to question the competence of the board of directors. The reason was losing two games to bottom Clubs and funny enough Graham had been sent off what has that to do with a role as Sporting Director ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopeless Unbeliever Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 Can’t understand the vehement opposition to McCall as SD, if it does end up being him he deserves a fair crack at it. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Col Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 35 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said: The reason was losing two games to bottom Clubs and funny enough Graham had been sent off what has that to do with a role as Sporting Director ? Look at the role description. Can you honestly say that he matches that and is a good fit? You’ve said before that the club shouldn’t live in the past. But your opinion on this topic appears to run contrary to that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jag Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 Ian McCall doesn't have the qualifications to carry out the role of a Sporting Director. I therefore find it very strange that he has been interviewed for the post. Unless the board isn't actually looking for a Sporting Director after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambies Lost Doo Posted March 13 Author Report Share Posted March 13 36 minutes ago, Jag said: find it very strange that he has been interviewed for the post. Unless the board isn't actually looking for a Sporting Director after all. Do we have confirmation he's been interviewed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowenBoys Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 13 minutes ago, Lambies Lost Doo said: Do we have confirmation he's been interviewed? Perhaps he was just dropping off his tracksuit. At last! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milhouse Posted March 14 Report Share Posted March 14 4 hours ago, Jag said: Ian McCall doesn't have the qualifications to carry out the role of a Sporting Director. I therefore find it very strange that he has been interviewed for the post. Unless the board isn't actually looking for a Sporting Director after all. What are the qualifications required to be a Sporting Director? If there was a financial role to it I get that might require specific things on the CV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted March 14 Report Share Posted March 14 7 hours ago, Lambies Lost Doo said: Do we have confirmation he's been interviewed? 7 hours ago, BowenBoys said: Perhaps he was just dropping off his tracksuit. At last! Or meeting Owen Coyle in Jaconellis for a coffee? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted March 14 Report Share Posted March 14 8 hours ago, BowenBoys said: Perhaps he was just dropping off his tracksuit. At last! Which one? The Ayr, jags or Clyde one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted March 14 Report Share Posted March 14 10 hours ago, Jag said: Ian McCall doesn't have the qualifications to carry out the role of a Sporting Director. I therefore find it very strange that he has been interviewed for the post. Unless the board isn't actually looking for a Sporting Director after all. Or maybe we dont actually need a Sporting Director ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted March 14 Report Share Posted March 14 11 hours ago, Big Col said: Look at the role description. Can you honestly say that he matches that and is a good fit? You’ve said before that the club shouldn’t live in the past. But your opinion on this topic appears to run contrary to that. Why Does a Club the Size of Thistle need a "Sporting Director" ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted March 14 Report Share Posted March 14 1 hour ago, Jordanhill Jag said: Why Does a Club the Size of Thistle need a "Sporting Director" ? Dunno. Because it gives us a plan B? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Col Posted March 14 Report Share Posted March 14 1 hour ago, Jordanhill Jag said: Why Does a Club the Size of Thistle need a "Sporting Director" ? Totally agree - we don’t. It’s a ridiculous waste of money. I’d rather see the money spent on the paying squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted March 14 Report Share Posted March 14 23 minutes ago, Big Col said: Totally agree - we don’t. It’s a ridiculous waste of money. I’d rather see the money spent on the paying squad. Now there's an idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert's Ghost Posted March 14 Report Share Posted March 14 4 minutes ago, scotty said: Now there's an idea. Pay to play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted March 14 Report Share Posted March 14 1 hour ago, Jordanhill Jag said: Why Does a Club the Size of Thistle need a "Sporting Director" ? I think if you do away with the titles it's not really much difference from past situations. The Sporting Director is in effect the manager with one major difference. The Head Coach replaces what would have been the assistant manager. Obviously the major difference is the Head Coach will now pick the team, be in control of training, and be in overall charge during match time. Tho' I'm not advocating McCall for the job he's not too bad an example. His strengths are behind the scenes, player recruitment, sourcing players and general man-management. He's not as strong on in-game management and reportedly delegated training anyway. In theory it should mean an easier transition for a younger person taking on the role of Head Coach. Just now you can have all the basic tactical nous and all the badges going. But if you can't source the right players and your man-management skills are under developed you'll not last as a manager. Another benefit would be if your Head Coach moves on there would be less turmoil. Similarly if the Sporting Director leaves there'll be no change to day to day training and playing matters. I realise I'm not answering why/if PTFC can afford both a Sporting Director and a Head Coach. A matter of quality naturally comes into that costing. I am pointing out that theoretically it's more a case of reallocation of duties than extra man power. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted March 14 Report Share Posted March 14 (edited) 2 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said: Why Does a Club the Size of Thistle need a "Sporting Director" ? Bowling clubs don’t have them and we don’t want to be run like a bowling club. 😀 Edited March 14 by Dick Dastardly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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