The Arch Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 I think the talk of Top-6 is very ambitious, especially since we have shown this season that we simply cannot beat top-6 clubs with the exception of St Johnstone at the moment. I don't think it's that ambitious given we potentially don't need to beat any more top six sides to actually get into the top six. Some teams make the top six almost purely on their great record against the bottom six. The year Motherwell finished second they had an incredible record against the bottom six, and just an okay record against other top six teams. If I remember correctly they won every single game against bottom six teams home and away apart from one loss against Killie. I think it will probably be just beyond us though. Would be happy with 7th-9th spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) Haven't done any arithmetic but, taking our fixtures out of it, we might need Dundee Utd to win a couple of games and perhaps our rival clubs drawing a match or two. Edited March 14, 2016 by lady-isobel-barnett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancipital Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 43 points will almost certainly get us in, 42 might. We did win 3 games in a row vs Killie, United, and County earlier in the season. I don't think we'll manage it, if you offered me 2 wins including one vs Killie from the next 4 I'd be happy with that as we'd be almost safe by the split. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowenBoys Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 Stating the obvious, the most important outcome is another season in the Premier League. We have improved our position each season since 2011/12. Finishing seventh would continue this great run. Simply surviving would see us in the top league for the longest period of my Jaggy lifetime. Top six would be terrific but it's a tall order now. We could be in a far worse position than we are now. I'm no' a Killie I'm a Jag, thank f**k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted March 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2016 After Celtics win today a win for us today and we beat Kilmarnock in our next game we will be safe and looking at the top 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted March 19, 2016 Report Share Posted March 19, 2016 Edwards, ya dancer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted March 19, 2016 Report Share Posted March 19, 2016 Before today's results I thought that 42 would be enough for us to make top 6. But Ross County already have 40 in 6th place.with 3 games to go, I think we will need at least 2 wins and a draw, and hope Utd best Dundee tomorrow. I only expected a draw today, but expected Motherwell and St Johnstone both to lose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThickAsThieves Posted March 19, 2016 Report Share Posted March 19, 2016 St Johnstone - Dundee United (H), Kilmarnock (A) Motherwell - Inverness (A), Celtic (H) Ross County - Dundee (A), Us (H) Dundee - Dundee United (A), Ross County (H), Celtic (H), Hamilton (A) Inverness - Motherwell (H), Hearts (H), Dundee United (A) I'm going to predict that St. Johnstone will get 4 (WD) points, Motherwell will get 1 (DL) Ross County won't get any from their match before us, Dundee will get 7 (DWLW) and Inverness will get 5 (DDW). Which would leave it as: St. Johnstone 47 Dundee 43 Motherwell 42 Inverness 41 Ross County 40 If all of that happens (which it won't) then if we win the next two then we'll make it with 43 before the County match. If not then we might have a classic in store at Dingwall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted March 19, 2016 Report Share Posted March 19, 2016 If we win our next two games at Firhill, Dingwall will be the place to be for the last game before the split! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonehJags Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 Im not sure if they already are but the board should be offering the players a bonus for reaching the top 6. Its in our hands. 3 wins would definitely secure it. As some one else has said, the teams in the bottom 6 wont be likely to bring the same kind of support as we would if we finished in the top. Along with the prize money it would be massive for us and could stabilise the club for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaila Street Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 (edited) Im not sure if they already are but the board should be offering the players a bonus for reaching the top 6. Its in our hands. 3 wins would definitely secure it. As some one else has said, the teams in the bottom 6 wont be likely to bring the same kind of support as we would if we finished in the top. Along with the prize money it would be massive for us and could stabilise the club for years. The two home matches could be St.Johnstone / Motherwell. Meaningless matches and hardly massive money spinners. Even Hearts I doubt would bring that many. Edited March 20, 2016 by Vaila Street Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 I would imagine they will be on a bonus for a top 6 finish. If we finish bottom 6 the home matches could be Hamilton & Dundee, so it won't make much difference either way, but surely the prize money and prestige of top 6 is worth it and it means we are guaranteed safety? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonehJags Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 ross county, inverness on the other hand are lucky to bring 200 between them. motherwell would double that alone, hearts would double that again. along with that, you could at least go to the game and enjoy it without worrying about getting beat, plus even an outside chance of european football??? forget it, im getting carried away cos pogba scored Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 I'd be surprised if final position doesn't relate in some small way to the players' income. If it doesn't, which as I think will be unlikely, I can't see why it would be introduced this season in particular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fawlty Towers Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 We can speculate about what crowds our opponents will bring but if we could just increase the home support by a few hundred that would make a difference as well. The next 2 games are very important ones and we are at home so lets see the Thistle support exceed the 2,000 or so it has been at for the last few games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 The two home matches could be St.Johnstone / Motherwell. Meaningless matches and hardly massive money spinners. Even Hearts I doubt would bring that many. St Johnstone/Motherwell might be quite meaningful if European place still up for grabs, especially if we are in that mix . I appreciate that Hearts seem to be in a 3rd place bubble and are unlikely to go up or down from there. However, I suspect that their fans will be in celebratory mood towards the end of a fine season and will still travel in reasonable, if not their usual massive, numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaila Street Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 St Johnstone/Motherwell might be quite meaningful if European place still up for grabs, especially if we are in that mix. Fair point. It would rely on Celtic winning the cup though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinnyjag Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 We can realistically achieve 43 points before the split, and maybe even more, the fact the other teams in around top 6 play each other and on paper have tougher games than us gives us a chance. As long as we dont let ourselves down in the two winnable home games we will be within a whisker of top 6 which would be unbelievable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) We can realistically achieve 43 points before the split, and maybe even more, the fact the other teams in around top 6 play each other and on paper have tougher games than us gives us a chance. As long as we dont let ourselves down in the two winnable home games we will be within a whisker of top 6 which would be unbelievable. A win and a draw in our next 2 games would be enough to set up a showdown in Dingwall. Whether that would be enough to also get ahead of Motherwell and Dundee would depend on other results (Motherwell away ICT and Dundee home Ross ... draw would be perfect). I think Saints are now out of sight pre-split. Edited March 21, 2016 by Dick Dastardly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) Edit to add: My predictor shows the final positions as St. Johnstone 49 +6 Ross County 42 -5 Thistle 42 -5 ======================= Motherwell 42 -10 Dundee 41 -3 Inverness 40 -4 but I've not been very good in the prediction competitions, so as Murray Walker said "Anything happens .... and it usually does" "I don't make mistakes. I make prophecies which immediately turn out to be wrong" Edited March 21, 2016 by Dick Dastardly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda-jag Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 too early, but finish pre split strong, no reason we can't then get set of results post split to get fourth and potentially be talking about a european adventure or six. booked your summer holidays, i hope no one has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 (edited) I think that Saints beating Hearts has probably blown our chance of 4th. If we make it, we are likely to be 5 or 6 points behind them post split, which will be tough to catch when 3 of the 5 games will be Celtic, Aberdeen and Hearts. But stranger Jaggy things have happened. Edited March 22, 2016 by Dick Dastardly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda-jag Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 I think that Saints beating Hearts has probably blown our chance of 4th. If we make it, we are likely to be 5 or 6 points behind them post split, which will be tough to catch when 3 of the 5 games will be Celtic, Aberdeen and Hearts. But stranger Jaggy things have happened. no disagreement with your analysis, except forgetting you are, the perth saints are our bitches this season, so we're down to two or three points differential to potentially overcome. jaggy dreams are best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian_mac Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Is there any truth in the rumour that Hearts might not be eligible to play in Europe next season? Something to do with not having filed accounts when they were in administration? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyo Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Six behind with a game in hand? Eight games left. IF we get into the top six there is no question that we still have the opportrunity to catch St Johnstone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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