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12 minutes ago, Lambies Lost Doo said:

Keeping the 50+1 ownership model works for me be it Morton, Thistle or whoever.

IIRC 50+1 is the model for all Geman clubs and is enforced by the German Football Federation 

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47 minutes ago, lady-isobel-barnett said:

Yes I think that's the German set up.

 

Aw that’s a shame, was it his mate who set him up?

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On 5/21/2022 at 12:09 PM, fifexile said:

IIRC 50+1 is the model for all Geman clubs and is enforced by the German Football Federation 

In general yes, but there are some exceptions. Leverkusen & Wolfsburg were initially started as works teams for Bayer and VW respectively. This historical deviation from the 50 + 1 rule is still in place. Also the likes of RB Leipzig have such a financial structure in the background that it is very difficult (and expensive) to become a member with voting rights.

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28 minutes ago, German Jag said:

In general yes, but there are some exceptions. Leverkusen & Wolfsburg were initially started as works teams for Bayer and VW respectively. This historical deviation from the 50 + 1 rule is still in place. Also the likes of RB Leipzig have such a financial structure in the background that it is very difficult (and expensive) to become a member with voting rights.

I read an article in a football magazine, ‘When Saturday Comes’ that RB Leipzig are not well-liked in Germany by some fans, because of their corporate (Red Bull) connection/image.

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38 minutes ago, German Jag said:

In general yes, but there are some exceptions. Leverkusen & Wolfsburg were initially started as works teams for Bayer and VW respectively. This historical deviation from the 50 + 1 rule is still in place. Also the likes of RB Leipzig have such a financial structure in the background that it is very difficult (and expensive) to become a member with voting rights.

Thanks for clarifying GJ. In practice do you feel that the two ex-works teams you name have an advantage by not being included in the 50+1 rule? Trophies and titles would indicate not but that's a narrow view of success!

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A German student where I used to work told me there are only 3 laws of football in Germany,

The ball is round.  A game lasts 90 minutes.  Bayer Leverkusen must never win the league.

She told me they were hated for selling out their birthright to chemical company.  The same may now apply to RB Leipzig.

 

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Someone wake Mr Heron so he can get these election votes counted & declared 

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1 hour ago, denismcquadeno.eleven said:

I read an article in a football magazine, ‘When Saturday Comes’ that RB Leipzig are not well-liked in Germany by some fans, because of their corporate (Red Bull) connection/image.

Were they originally Lokomotive Leipzig?

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19 minutes ago, jaggy said:

Were they originally Lokomotive Leipzig?

I am unsure. Leipzig is in East Germany and I think most of the football ‘power’ has been in the west eg Bayern Munich (particularly) and Borussia Dortmund. The article was about a smaller East German team which had just made it up to the top tier-but I can’t recall its name. But, it was clear from the piece the writer loathed RBL and that was a feeling shared with others. Maybe it’s because they are seen as ‘Johnny-come-latelys’ and  ‘corporate/glamorous’ with no real history.

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2 hours ago, denismcquadeno.eleven said:

I read an article in a football magazine, ‘When Saturday Comes’ that RB Leipzig are not well-liked in Germany by some fans, because of their corporate (Red Bull) connection/image.

See below. 

1 hour ago, fifexile said:

Thanks for clarifying GJ. In practice do you feel that the two ex-works teams you name have an advantage by not being included in the 50+1 rule? Trophies and titles would indicate not but that's a narrow view of success!

Leverkusen have won next to nothing, Wolfsburg in the last 15 years have had their only BL, DFB-Pokal, plus Super Cup successes. Both clubs have modern 30.000 capacity stadiums, but struggle to get fans along, especially in Wolfsburgs case. Unfortunately in Germany, there are now so many Munich & Dortmund ‚fans‘ / gloryhunters, with no geographical links to either team and only ever see them on Sky/DAZN. 

1 hour ago, a f kincaid said:

A German student where I used to work told me there are only 3 laws of football in Germany,

The ball is round.  A game lasts 90 minutes.  Bayer Leverkusen must never win the league.

She told me they were hated for selling out their birthright to chemical company.  The same may now apply to RB Leipzig.

 

They were formed in 1904 as a works team, hence their nickname Werkself. Totally different situation to RB Leipzig. 

24 minutes ago, jaggy said:

Were they originally Lokomotive Leipzig?

 

8 minutes ago, Garscube Road End 2 said:

No. Locomotive Leipzig still exist in a Northern Regional League. RB Leipzig were only formed in 2009.

 

6 minutes ago, denismcquadeno.eleven said:

I am unsure. Leipzig is in East Germany and I think most of the football ‘power’ has been in the west eg Bayern Munich (particularly) and Borussia Dortmund. The article was about a smaller East German team which had just made it up to the top tier-but I can’t recall its name. But, it was clear from the piece the writer loathed RBL and that was a feeling shared with others. Maybe it’s because they are seen as ‘Johnny-come-latelys’ and  ‘corporate/glamorous’ with no real history.

Red Bulls headquarters are in Salzburg, hence their initial activities in football being the takeover of SV Austria Salzburg, with subsequent renaming, rebranding etc. 

After that they wanted to get a foothold in Germany, and initiated talks with Fortuna Düsseldorf, St. Pauli & 1860 Munich who all told them to p!ss off. They then purchased the licence of 5th tier SSV Markranstädt, and basically „fairy taled“ their way through to the Bundesliga with industrial amounts of money. The traditional Leipzig clubs, Chemie & Lokomotiv, were on a low ebb at that time and were also anti any Red Bull involvement, so in reality Leipzig a 500.000 city had no team in the top league which was probably the deciding factor.
 

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https://thejagsfoundation.co.uk/election-results/

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The election for a new Jags Foundation Board closed at 23:59 on Wednesday 25th May and I am pleased to declare that votes were cast as follows;-

Stuart Callison            221

Graeme Cowie            214

Sandy Fyfe                  207

Heather Iona Holloway      205

Andrew Holloway         187

Ian Mackinnon            187

Dr Gary Tanner            182

Allan McGraw            179

Stuart Goldie             143

Iain Brand                 139

Tim Huntingford       127

The following people will therefore be appointed as directors of The Jags Foundation for the terms noted:

Three Years – Stuart Callison, Graeme Cowie, Sandy Fyfe

Two Years – Heather Iona Holloway, Andrew Holloway, Ian Mackinnon

One Year – Dr Gary Tanner, Allan McGraw, Stuart Goldie.

John McConnell was on the ballot paper but indicated after these were issued that he wanted to withdraw.  He was excluded from the count and any votes for him disregarded.

318 votes were submitted from a total electorate of 488, making the turnout 65.2%

Congratulations to all the successful candidates and commiserations to those who did not get elected.

The current board of The Jags Foundation will meet this evening to formally appoint the new directors and to resign from their positions.  I am sure you will join with me in wishing the new board the very best of luck in their endeavours.

Allan Heron

 

 

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47 minutes ago, Lambies Lost Doo said:

I'm a hypocrite and doing a total about turn but if Red Bull wanted to buy Thistle then I'd be jumping on that bandwagon.

We’d be flying

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If it hasn’t already been submitted, get a note of interest submitted to 3BC pronto, before they decide it’s too late.

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Well done to all those who stood and were successful in the TJF elections 

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7 minutes ago, Norgethistle said:

Thanks to everyone who voted. Delighted to be selected and looking forward to to working with the rest of the board

It was like the Eurovision Song Contest with Norway represented by your good self ;)

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Congratulations to all elected and well done for stepping up to the challenge.

You have a tough assignment and you have my full support.

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Thank you to everyone who voted. I'm really excited to work with the other 8 new board members and to try and make a difference to this process. It's also heartening to know that people are engaged with the Foundation and want it to succeed.

We have still to be formally appointed (that will happen later today) but I hope we are in a position to share some information about concrete action and positive developments in the coming days.

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Possibly opening a can of worms here, but were voters notified about the candidate who withdrew so they would not vote for that candidate?  Or that those who did vote for him could change their vote?

Or was it stated going in that if a candidate withdraws, any votes for that candidate would just be discarded?

Seems like simply discarding had potential to change the results, given the count.

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