Dick Dastardly Posted August 12 Report Share Posted August 12 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Yellow & Redneck said: Because our punt-ball tactics completely bypass the midfield anyway. And on the rare occasion we do build through the midfield, it's never, ever through the middle of the park. Always played out wide to Fitzy or Miles Storey, Connor Murray, Logan Chalmers or whatever he's called. And those cutting passes into the channels have nearly always been a product of our LB/RBs. I don't see what we are loosing by dropping our prolific attacking midfielder with three goals, or Stephen McKeown reincarnated. Isn’t the answer to stop the punt balls and play through the midfield ? We’ve got the players, so let’s use them Edited August 12 by Dick Dastardly 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted August 12 Report Share Posted August 12 1 hour ago, Yellow & Redneck said: Because our punt-ball tactics completely bypass the midfield anyway. And on the rare occasion we do build through the midfield, it's never, ever through the middle of the park. Always played out wide to Fitzy or Miles Storey, Connor Murray, Logan Chalmers or whatever he's called. And those cutting passes into the channels have nearly always been a product of our LB/RBs. I don't see what we are loosing by dropping our prolific attacking midfielder with three goals, or Stephen McKeown reincarnated. 30 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: Isn’t the answer to stop the punt balls and play through the midfield ? We’ve got the players, so let’s use them Yellow & Redneck is spot on re our failings. I doubt Dick D is arguing that's not the case. It's all about the cure. Going to a 4-4-2 in theory would be a negative move but no more so than cutting out the midfield by playing the long ball. I would not use the combination of the wind and playing surface on Saturday as mitigating factors. Rather, the conditions merely highlighted Y & R's points. On balance tho' I agree with Dick D re the cure but slightly disagree with DD on one point. Even at that it depends on where we deploy McBeth*. We've only "got the players (midfielders)" if they are used properly. The attacking benefit over a 4-4-2 is considerably negated when we require two midfielders to do the job of one defensively. Neither Turner or Crawford are what you could call ball winners (likewise Bannigan & Stanway). Get a proper defensive mid in there and the likes of Turner can get into attacking positions much more often. As a bit of an aside, with both Lawless & MacKay out long term we're probably close to having to change formation. in fact the minute we sub Chalmers or Fitzpatrick we either do just that or play someone out of position. * I'm not sure myself whether it better to play Luke in what's considered his best position or where he may be most needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggymct Posted August 12 Report Share Posted August 12 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casper_Nilsson he has a wiki page that now says he plays for thistle ... own up which one of us updated this today ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dl1971 Posted August 12 Report Share Posted August 12 4 hours ago, Yellow & Redneck said: Because our punt-ball tactics completely bypass the midfield anyway. And on the rare occasion we do build through the midfield, it's never, ever through the middle of the park. Always played out wide to Fitzy or Miles Storey, Connor Murray, Logan Chalmers or whatever he's called. And those cutting passes into the channels have nearly always been a product of our LB/RBs. I don't see what we are loosing by dropping our prolific attacking midfielder with three goals, or Stephen McKeown reincarnated. So now we are a punt ball tactics team. I'm pretty sure many on here bemoaned the fact we were a tippy tappy team ( aka retaining possession ). I'd say a combination of both is aok....as long as we are winning of course.. Once again ill leave the tactics and personnel to the trained professionals to decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow & Redneck Posted August 12 Report Share Posted August 12 (edited) 44 minutes ago, dl1971 said: So now we are a punt ball tactics team. I'm pretty sure many on here bemoaned the fact we were a tippy tappy team ( aka retaining possession ). I'd say a combination of both is aok....as long as we are winning of course.. Once again ill leave the tactics and personnel to the trained professionals to decide. Doolan literally alluded to that in his last two interviews. To quote the manager himself - "Too long, too often, too soon." (i.e., punt ball)! Edited August 12 by Yellow & Redneck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laukat Posted August 12 Report Share Posted August 12 To move to 4-4-2 would require quick direct goal scorer to play off Graham. Closest we had to that was Tiffoney in ill-fated playoff run. Robinson is a good intelligent player who is pretty decent in the air but he's never really been a goal scorer or wonderfully direct. Diack is too similar to Graham so unless we sign someone in or convert Fitzpatrick to play off Graham then it'll be 4-2-3-1 for a time to come. Whilst we can play 3-5-2 with what we have we could really do with having the ability to play 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 if situations dictate it. If we get a right back in who can overlap we still have a team capable of winning the league. As much as Ayr have had a good start if anything I think the quality of teams has dropped compared to last season. In this league you can get by by at this stage by having lower quality but players that a comfortable playing a positon. You will always struggle when you start a season with no recognised player for a position. As an example apart from maybe Iain Wilson there wasn't a Morton player on the park last week that gets in our team or squad. However they largely outplayed us because the players are comfortable in their position. Not having a right back is forcing our attacking play to go left or long as its not leaving any space for the right sided midfielder to exploit or giving any diversion for the winger (Chalmers) to cut inside. It even stops the defence playing out as the right back isn't in a position to receive the ball or comfortable in finding a pass that isn't just straight back the way. That in turn forces us to go long and suddenly it becomes a vicious circle of poorer and poorer play. On another note - Once Doolan does get some results he needs to start considering how to better rotate his squad. Its a long season and we need players that can step in without needing a game or two to get up to speed. Last season the team only really changed in midfield and that was largely driven by injury. This season we have more depth at central-defence and once fit in wide areas. He should be able to use that to keep players fresh, reduce injuries and also to change tactics and formation 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG1970 Posted August 12 Report Share Posted August 12 4 hours ago, lady-isobel-barnett said: Yellow & Redneck is spot on re our failings. I doubt Dick D is arguing that's not the case. It's all about the cure. Going to a 4-4-2 in theory would be a negative move but no more so than cutting out the midfield by playing the long ball. I would not use the combination of the wind and playing surface on Saturday as mitigating factors. Rather, the conditions merely highlighted Y & R's points. On balance tho' I agree with Dick D re the cure but slightly disagree with DD on one point. Even at that it depends on where we deploy McBeth*. We've only "got the players (midfielders)" if they are used properly. The attacking benefit over a 4-4-2 is considerably negated when we require two midfielders to do the job of one defensively. Neither Turner or Crawford are what you could call ball winners (likewise Bannigan & Stanway). Get a proper defensive mid in there and the likes of Turner can get into attacking positions much more often. As a bit of an aside, with both Lawless & MacKay out long term we're probably close to having to change formation. in fact the minute we sub Chalmers or Fitzpatrick we either do just that or play someone out of position. * I'm not sure myself whether it better to play Luke in what's considered his best position or where he may be most needed. If we truly don’t have a ball winner in midfield then McBeth needs to play there until we find one. Perhaps Doolan wants to do that short term but can’t because Muirhead is injured and Ashcroft isn’t yet up to full match fitness. Having a proper RB who can both defend and overlap will relieve some of the go long and enable less dependency on Milne and Fitzpatrick (the later seems off form anyway and if MacKay had been fit might have replaced him). But if McBeth is to go back to CB then Doolan also needs a DMF and of course another CF. Whether his budget can stretch to all that remains to be seen. But those saying Graham needs to be dropped, it’s the MF and RB that needs fixing first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laukat Posted August 12 Report Share Posted August 12 19 minutes ago, JAG1970 said: If we truly don’t have a ball winner in midfield then McBeth needs to play there until we find one. Perhaps Doolan wants to do that short term but can’t because Muirhead is injured and Ashcroft isn’t yet up to full match fitness. Having a proper RB who can both defend and overlap will relieve some of the go long and enable less dependency on Milne and Fitzpatrick (the later seems off form anyway and if MacKay had been fit might have replaced him). But if McBeth is to go back to CB then Doolan also needs a DMF and of course another CF. Whether his budget can stretch to all that remains to be seen. But those saying Graham needs to be dropped, it’s the MF and RB that needs fixing first Part of me wondered if Doolan was interested in Grimshaw as a defensive midfielder rather than as a rightback. McBeth was really good last season at centre half and I had hoped with a full pre-season he would be the midfielder we hoped for however I think he has a shaky start in both positions. Right now I would have Ashcroft and O'Reilly in defence and it might be time for McBeth to sit out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted August 12 Report Share Posted August 12 12 minutes ago, laukat said: Part of me wondered if Doolan was interested in Grimshaw as a defensive midfielder rather than as a rightback. McBeth was really good last season at centre half and I had hoped with a full pre-season he would be the midfielder we hoped for however I think he has a shaky start in both positions. Right now I would have Ashcroft and O'Reilly in defence and it might be time for McBeth to sit out. I’d still prefer McBeth and O’Reilly as a centre pairing. Ashcroft has looked suspect so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thornwoodjag Posted August 12 Report Share Posted August 12 Finally, the wait is over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted August 12 Report Share Posted August 12 https://ptfc.co.uk/ptfc-news/casper-nilsson-signs-on-loan-from-brighton/ Great news. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted August 12 Report Share Posted August 12 6 minutes ago, thornwoodjag said: Finally, the wait is over 👀 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted August 12 Report Share Posted August 12 Good news and a couple of weeks to train with squad … assuming Muirhead is back that gives us choices in central defence and whether to push mcbeth into midfield. Striker now please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow & Redneck Posted August 12 Report Share Posted August 12 (edited) Finally! Edited August 12 by Yellow & Redneck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elevenone Posted August 12 Report Share Posted August 12 Welcome to Thistle Casper. Let’s hope you are a spooktacular signing. 👻 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted August 12 Report Share Posted August 12 Certainly the most polite ghost I have ever heard. Not at all scary. I like the sound of "fast and technical". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fawlty Towers Posted August 12 Author Report Share Posted August 12 Good news that we now have a natural right back and hopefully we can add another striker to the squad before the Falkirk match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted August 12 Report Share Posted August 12 Welcome Casper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted August 12 Report Share Posted August 12 Is Casper our first Swede since Peter Lindau? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted August 12 Report Share Posted August 12 32 minutes ago, partickthedog said: Is Casper our first Swede since Peter Lindau? I was just glad to see him turnip. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggymct Posted August 13 Report Share Posted August 13 (edited) That's Tony Watt off to Motherwell on loan so I guess hes not our 3rd striker then ! Edited August 13 by jaggymct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambies Lost Doo Posted August 13 Report Share Posted August 13 He's a strange fella is Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted August 14 Report Share Posted August 14 Not suggesting as a signing, but I see that Lewis Mansell has dropped down the leagues and is currently with Ramsbottom United. Shame as I thought he had potential to be better than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted August 14 Report Share Posted August 14 4 hours ago, Dick Dastardly said: Not suggesting as a signing, but I see that Lewis Mansell has dropped down the leagues and is currently with Ramsbottom United. Shame as I thought he had potential to be better than that. Quite a downfall. From SPFL Division Team of the Year to......😃 Again not suggesting as a signing. In fact since he's increased his contract not even possible but as an ex Jag Ross McIvor rarely gets a mention whilst many question our releasing of Anton Dowds. Maybe I'm on my own but I'd rate former over latter every day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy McD Posted August 14 Report Share Posted August 14 1 hour ago, lady-isobel-barnett said: Quite a downfall. From SPFL Division Team of the Year to......😃 Again not suggesting as a signing. In fact since he's increased his contract not even possible but as an ex Jag Ross McIvor rarely gets a mention whilst many question our releasing of Anton Dowds. Maybe I'm on my own but I'd rate former over latter every day. Don't think that we really gave him a chance, like a lot of others... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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