Hamilton Academical 🔴⚪️ vs Partick Thistle 🔴 🟡

[Lenziejag]

9 hours ago, Big Col said:

The way I see it is either we have a squad of good players and the manager isn’t getting the best out of them, or we have a squad of diddies who the manager has assembled.

Either way, it’s down to the manager.

We can’t risk waiting till the end of the first quarter. Does anyone really see anything changing for the better in the next few weeks?

Now is the time for change.

He has a good squad and quite a lot of them have not been available for selection all season due to injury or suspension. Six missing yesterday and Ablade off early and McBeth too. 
So, it’s not just down to the manager. Part of it is circumstance too.

[Dick Dastardly]

I can’t believe that this is how Doolan trains them to play. This style can’t be his master plan. Equally we have decent players who, on paper, would walk into any team in this league. Most of them have proven experience in this league or higher. Clearly something is going wrong between training pitch and match day.

 

[Jordanhill Jag]

1 hour ago, scotty said:

Where did you read this? I'd like to see what else he said but can't find these notes.

 

[sandy]

I’d give Dools until Christmas to see if he can turn things round. He’s done well for us up till now, I’m not in favour of knee-jerk managerial changes after 7 games of the league season. Our squad has potential, we just need to find the best formation. 

[scotty]

16 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

 

Finally found this but all he really said, back in August when he was appointed, was that he would be concentrating on off-field issues and not picking the team. Not really relevant to yesterdays' match.

[jlsarmy]

14 hours ago, jaggymct said:

Because he has done a great job with v limited resource's.

Doolan over the past 2 seasons has done a better job , surely that must count for something, going through a sticky patch just now but Doolan surely has Credit in the bank to sort it out .

After yesterdays game I doubt we’ll see the 3 - 5 - 2 formation again

Biggest issue from last year is replacing the McMillan/ Lawless combination which has given us a lopsided team.

Being a PTFC supporter for lots of years , to change the Manager every time we lose a couple of games is a nonsense .

[javeajag]

32 minutes ago, jlsarmy said:

Being a PTFC supporter for lots of years , to change the Manager every time we lose a couple of games is a nonsense .

It’s not a couple of games though is it ?

not won  away now for 14 games

we have scored less than 1 goal a game 

we have played 12 competitive games been poor in most of them, out of two cups at the first time of asking and 10 points off top after 7 games.

He has a squad of 32 players.

he gives a good impression is someone who doesn’t know what to do 

[jlsarmy]

12 minutes ago, javeajag said:

It’s not a couple of games though is it ?

not won  away now for 14 games

we have scored less than 1 goal a game 

we have played 12 competitive games been poor in most of them, out of two cups at the first time of asking and 10 points off top after 7 games.

He has a squad of 32 players.

he gives a good impression is someone who doesn’t know what to do 

Not being super defensive, but did Doolan know what he was doing when he got us to the play off final in the first year and the semi final last year

Huge turnaround of players and we haven’t gelled as a team yet .

IMO Doolan deserves the chance to sort it out .

[Jimbo]

21 minutes ago, javeajag said:

It’s not a couple of games though is it ?

not won  away now for 14 games

we have scored less than 1 goal a game 

we have played 12 competitive games been poor in most of them, out of two cups at the first time of asking and 10 points off top after 7 games.

He has a squad of 32 players.

he gives a good impression is someone who doesn’t know what to do 

I'm not in the 'Doolan Out' club but he's making it more & more difficult to defend him. It's not entirely his fault when players can't control the football or consistently misplace passes, but his willingness to persevere with 3 central defenders yesterday when Hamilton effectively played with 1 central striker was baffling. He could have easily moved to a back four without making any substitutions by moving McBeth into midfield, pushing Turner or Crawford further forward & playing Fitzy on the left. Yet he only switched to a back four when McBeth got injured. I expressed concern last season about Doolan's ability to make effective tactical substitutions. IMO it remains an issue.

[Jag36]

1 hour ago, jlsarmy said:

Doolan over the past 2 seasons has done a better job , surely that must count for something, going through a sticky patch just now but Doolan surely has Credit in the bank to sort it out .

After yesterdays game I doubt we’ll see the 3 - 5 - 2 formation again

Biggest issue from last year is replacing the McMillan/ Lawless combination which has given us a lopsided team.

Being a PTFC supporter for lots of years , to change the Manager every time we lose a couple of games is a nonsense .

Needs to go back to a 4, we have possibly the best 2 full backs in the league now milne and megwa, Doolan has to decide who to drop..macbeth, oreilly or muirhead and take it from there

[JAG1970]

20 minutes ago, Jimbo said:

I'm not in the 'Doolan Out' club but he's making it more & more difficult to defend him. It's not entirely his fault when players can't control the football or consistently misplace passes, but his willingness to persevere with 3 central defenders yesterday when Hamilton effectively played with 1 central striker was baffling. He could have easily moved to a back four without making any substitutions by moving McBeth into midfield, pushing Turner or Crawford further forward & playing Fitzy on the left. Yet he only switched to a back four when McBeth got injured. I expressed concern last season about Doolan's ability to make effective tactical substitutions. IMO it remains an issue.

Doolan seems to have gone from the rigid-won’t-change-it approach to the current chop-and-change-it multiple times during a match. 

Unfortunately his post match interview gave the impression of someone scratching their head unable to understand how to fix it. But as you point out he could start by playing 4 at the back and playing Turner further forward and play Fitzpatrick on the wing. Kinda basics of playing to player’s strengths - Turner in particular is being wasted and been subbed in the last couple of games, he’s clearly not enjoying his football under this system yet is potentially one of our most talented and creative players.

Doolan needs to fix this during October otherwise I fear the players will loose confidence in him as well as themselves.

[Third Lanark]

5 hours ago, sandy said:

I’d give Dools until Christmas to see if he can turn things round. He’s done well for us up till now, I’m not in favour of knee-jerk managerial changes after 7 games of the league season. Our squad has potential, we just need to find the best formation. 

He needs to learn fast to drop players that are not performing such as Graham and to stop being loyal to certain players like Bannigan who is probably one of our highest earners yet we are lucky if we get 4 decent games a season from yet remarkably seems to be the first to get a new contract regardless 

[JAG1970]

8 minutes ago, Third Lanark said:

He needs to learn fast to drop players that are not performing such as Graham and to stop being loyal to certain players like Bannigan who is probably one of our highest earners yet we are lucky if we get 4 decent games a season from yet remarkably seems to be the first to get a new contract regardless 

I’m not defending BG, by all means try Diack (I’m guessing Ablade is now injured) but I doubt we would be scoring more regardless of who plays up front. We simply don’t create anywhere near enough chances and we’ve got large chunks of matches when middle to front we are simply woeful. Until that fixed we are reliant on the defence to try and keep clean sheets to pick up points. 

[Jordanhill Jag]

6 hours ago, scotty said:

Finally found this but all he really said, back in August when he was appointed, was that he would be concentrating on off-field issues and not picking the team. Not really relevant to yesterdays' match.

Its relevant because its been clearly stated that outwith the Team Coaching Staff and Manager there is a separate

”Football Committee”

now as its separate from Coaching Staff then the Question has to be asked who sits on this “Football Committee “ what is there remit and what Football Decisions do they make   

[BowenBoys]

14 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

Its relevant because its been clearly stated that outwith the Team Coaching Staff and Manager there is a separate

”Football Committee”

now as its separate from Coaching Staff then the Question has to be asked who sits on this “Football Committee “ what is there remit and what Football Decisions do they make   

We don't know. Ask Levi Gill.

[Jordanhill Jag]

42 minutes ago, BowenBoys said:

We don't know. Ask Levi Gill.

Im sure our resident TJF Board Members will be on to explain it all away and deny that there is a “Football Committee”

But it begs the Question - who is making the Football decisions at PTFC ?  

[avie-man]

15 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

Im sure our resident TJF Board Members will be on to explain it all away and deny that there is a “Football Committee”

But it begs the Question - who is making the Football decisions at PTFC ?  

Probably some sanctimonious reply mocking people for being paranoid and coming up with conspiracy theories. The inner circle are making it a habit of talking down to the plebs.

[BowenBoys]

18 minutes ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

Im sure our resident TJF Board Members will be on to explain it all away and deny that there is a “Football Committee”

But it begs the Question - who is making the Football decisions at PTFC ?  

So, you're not interested in getting the information from the horse's mouth. You just want to bait TJF for your parody chums.

[Fawlty Towers]

Couple of questions/observations from myself.

1. It is my understanding Chris Ross left earlier than expected plus, as we know, Levi Gill's start was delayed because of a family bereavement so we had a period at a very important point of the year with no real leadership in place.

2. Did we start the season fully prepared? We only had one open door friendly against Glenafton which had been agreed as part of McBeth's transfer so had to play a bounce game against Hearts plus a game between the squad. Not what is the normal sort of pre season, did the issue from point 1 contribute to this?

3. Is the documentary having a negative impact? Is it putting more pressure than is needed on the management and/or players, is it taking people at the club away from their regular duties and is it making people act or do things differently?

Now none of these points take away from the fact that the play in most of our games has not been good but we know from the last 18 months that Doolan likes to play good attacking football, we know from previous seasons that players like Turner, Chalmers and Graham are good at this level yet none of these are on display at the moment so it says to me some other factor is at play.

Edited September 29 by Fawlty Towers

[laukat]

Anyone know when Mitchell is likely to be fit as I think we need him?

Roberts is great shotstopper and also really good at crosses but his distribution is eye bleeding to watch. You could see and hear Turner shouting at him to get the ball back in play faster and every time he goes long it takes the pace out the game.

[Thistle88]

18 hours ago, jagfox said:

Cry baby fc

You’re the biggest cry baby on here shut it 😂. 

[eljaggo]

29 minutes ago, laukat said:

Anyone know when Mitchell is likely to be fit as I think we need him?

Roberts is great shotstopper and also really good at crosses but his distribution is eye bleeding to watch. You could see and hear Turner shouting at him to get the ball back in play faster and every time he goes long it takes the pace out the game.

Maybe his distribution is adversely affected by the midfield not taking up useful positions, and/or the frequent changing of the defence/midfield formations.

[Third Lanark]

59 minutes ago, Fawlty Towers said:

Couple of questions/observations from myself.

1. It is my understanding Chris Ross left earlier than expected plus, as we know, Levi Gill's start was delayed because of a family bereavement so we had a period at a very important point of the year with no real leadership in place.

2. Did we start the season fully prepared? We only had one open door friendly against Glenafton which had been agreed as part of McBeth's transfer so had to play a bounce game against Hearts plus a game between the squad. Not what is the normal sort of pre season, did the issue from point 1 contribute to this?

3. Is the documentary having a negative impact? Is it putting more pressure than is needed on the management and/or players, is it taking people at the club away from their regular duties and is it making people act or do things differently?

Now none of these points take away from the fact that the play in most of our games has not been good but we know from the last 18 months that Doolan likes to play good attacking football, we know from previous seasons that players like Turner, Chalmers and Graham are good at this level yet none of these are on display at the moment so it says to me some other factor is at play.

I know in regards to point 2 Doolan said in his pre season update that he had deliberately cut back on pre season friendlies this year as last season he thought it had contributed to injuries etc and so he wanted to give the players more recovery time and use the league cup games as sort of pre season so they were fully up to speed for the first league game- while hindsight is a wonderful thing it’s clear this strategy has not worked 

In regards to Graham it maybe that age has caught a bit up with him.  No idea about the other 2 though Turner despite being poor still has highest number of assists in the division.

I share your concerns about the documentary while it may not be the main issue it is clearly not helping anything 

Edited September 29 by Third Lanark

[Norgethistle]

1 hour ago, Jordanhill Jag said:

Im sure our resident TJF Board Members will be on to explain it all away and deny that there is a “Football Committee”

But it begs the Question - who is making the Football decisions at PTFC ?  

Mail Levi and ask him, TJF don’t run the club and don’t run the football committee 

[laukat]

1 hour ago, eljaggo said:

Maybe his distribution is adversely affected by the midfield not taking up useful positions, and/or the frequent changing of the defence/midfield formations.

I get that others could do more but Roberts does take a long time to get the ball out and more often than not will usher away valid short options in the favour of launching it and even then will take a good 20/30 seconds before he's put the ball back in play. We used to be a team that moved the ball quickly up the park and that starts with the goalkeeper.