King Kenny Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 It's hard not to be reactionary after a result and performance like that and I haven't read any of the above so apologies if this has been stated before, here are some of my thoughts on leaving Firhill tonight. 1. We were outfought, outthought and outplayed from the first whistle. 2. Doolan has no ability to change a game in our favour. We may have changed a player at half time but the players were sent back out in the exact same formation as the one that was battered in the first half. We then wait until the magic 70 minutes before making a sub when we are clearly going nowhere that leaves us so devoid of shape we may as well have just ended the game there. 3. The application and fight shown by some Thistle players today was embarrassing. I can handle getting beat, I can't handle the clear downing of tools when that 3rd goal went in. Our so called leaders in Ashcroft and Graham should have been rallying the troops, instead we had Ashcroft blaming anyone but himself for the goals we lost and Graham didn't utter a word. Ashcroft has been great recently but he was shocking today. 4. Charlie Sayers is looking very much like another to join the long list of English academy players that can't handle Scottish football. He's young and has played very little football but he is so passive and lacks zero aggression which is what you need as standard at our level. To be fair to him, he had zero help from the guy in front of him. To hand him a 3 year deal seems pretty naïve at the moment. 5. I've said all I need to say about Fitzpatrick before, an absolute waste of talent. Perhaps it is the way we are playing but he was a man down from the off. The ref better check behind him when he gets home, that is where Fitzy spent his whole game hiding. 6. I'll give some credit to Dan O'Reilly. Stuck out on the left by himself for the whole of the second half, he never stopped plugging away. I'm not one for shouting for a manager's head but Doolan must be coming under serious scrutiny now. We have an expensive squad, we have decent players who are seriously underperforming and we are losing games now due to managers knowing exactly how Doolan sets his team up. I'd feel more confident if Doolan was learning from his mistakes but he isn't. We play the same team by and large every week regardless of result. The guys on the bench must be wondering how they get a chance. Pretty scunnering end and start to 24/25. 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elevenone Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 Was fab meeting @partickthedog today and putting a face to name. As for on the pitch least said the better but at least Graham and Bannigan were not holding back in their assessment post match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derby Jag Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 That was frankly embarrassing and I don't think he deserves to remain. It could easily have been 6 or 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erty13 Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 A midfield three of Banigan Turner and Robinson were always going to get bullied by Dunfermline, should have been addressed by Doolan at the start of the season. Having only an aging striker with no pace, makes us very one dimensional, should have been addressed by Doolan at the start of the season. Going into the first five games of the season without a recognised right back, was embarrassing and should have been addressed by Doolan at the start of the season. He is just not a good enough manager and should be replaced by the board, but unfortunately I don't think they are strong enough to come to that decision. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 56 minutes ago, milhouse said: If we had won these most recent 2 games we would have been 4 points off top...instead it's season effectively over. I'm not sure it makes any sense for Doolan to leave this season - I don't think we will end up with any manager who will overcome a 10 point gap to win the league, it would be a financial risk with very little to be gained. Each position in the league is worth a lot of money alone and a new manager would get longer to plan for next season 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westertonjagfan Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 Aside from Banzo, who at least put in a shift, that was incompetent pish today. Really, really pish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 1 hour ago, Jordanhill Jag said: If he is replaced - they will give it to Brian Graham - someone with No Management Experience - we have No Money We wont be signing anyone in January - but we will be offloading players to cut costs Is this speculation Jim or a fact that Graham would get the gig regardless? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter of '63 Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 Maybe some have convinced themselves with statistics but surely few Thistle supporters will have been surprised by today's outcome...we have been a pedestrian outfit this season accumulating points we have barely merited and playing without any verve. A determined Dunfermline dominated a Thistle side drained of energy and direction. I lost count of the number of times the player in possession had no-one further forward looking to receive the ball. Our style of play relies on full-backs getting forward - Megwa is just back from injury and Sayers is inexperienced but both were poor defensively and contributed nothing in attack. Ashcroft was plodding and Robinson awful - this should be a key attacking role but for the past two seasons it's been filled by the invisible man. I had little expectation that we would turn the game round in the second half but that was reduced when Crawford & Ablade came on as non-impact subs...they couldn't have had more than 5 touches between them. Mitchell saved us from an even more embarrassing defeat. If ever there was a season to gamble on going for promotion, this was the one. However the budget has not been well spent. I don't think replacing the manager is ever an instant solution and some of the names suggested are absurd but this isn't good enough - it's looking like a wasted season with boring football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG1970 Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 (edited) If we were to finish 4th we wouldn’t be getting promoted at the end of it. That would be three attempts by Doolan and he’d be gone at the end of the season. So why wait, especially as there is a reasonable chance QP take 4th. The evidence is clear, we’re boring, predictable, sore on the eye and Doolan has squandered a big budget. Edited January 4 by JAG1970 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillresigned Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 I can’t think of absolutely anything positive to say after that result and particularly that performance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljaggo Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 If change is to happen, that change needs to be a fundamental one, not another "Club Legend". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambies Lost Doo Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 I genuinely love Doolan but now I'm looking and thinking we are playing the same way and changing nothing each game. It's like Groundhog Day. We desperately need a fit Lawless to start and pray McKay is close to full training. After that change midfield 3 but I'm a bit scunnered with that myself. With McNamara we had Lawless & Erskine were on the wings they would bust a gut chasing back to make us hard to beat. Paul Paton would not stop running. Welsh, Bannigan, Fraser, Forbes could all hold onto the ball and pass quickly up the park. We don't have that this season. When Doolan came in we were more dynamic and had Tiffoney moving into #10 role who was a revelation. Robinson is a good player but not as good as Tiffoney. Today defence was leaky when it's been our best area but Dunfermline 1st & 3rd goals were pretty special looking. If we were to replace him I'd like Neil McCann. A poster said the board have no idea but do they ever? Excluding Chief Execs of Britton & Maxwell who had football backgrounds everyone has always been business people or Alan Rough. And the Chief Exec does what the board tell them to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 1 hour ago, Third Lanark said: Is this speculation Jim or a fact that Graham would get the gig regardless? Not answering for JJ but the minute we sack Doolan then Big Brian will be named temp manager. String a few good results together and he'll be a good shout to get the gig full time. After all we haven't the dosh to buy a successful manager out a contract so it'll be Graham up against guys who have been sacked and out a job. Not saying it would be right but would you bet against BG getting the gig? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 45 minutes ago, Winter of '63 said: Maybe some have convinced themselves with statistics but surely few Thistle supporters will have been surprised by today's outcome...we have been a pedestrian outfit this season accumulating points we have barely merited and playing without any verve. A determined Dunfermline dominated a Thistle side drained of energy and direction. I lost count of the number of times the player in possession had no-one further forward looking to receive the ball. Our style of play relies on full-backs getting forward - Megwa is just back from injury and Sayers is inexperienced but both were poor defensively and contributed nothing in attack. Ashcroft was plodding and Robinson awful - this should be a key attacking role but for the past two seasons it's been filled by the invisible man. I had little expectation that we would turn the game round in the second half but that was reduced when Crawford & Ablade came on as non-impact subs...they couldn't have had more than 5 touches between them. Mitchell saved us from an even more embarrassing defeat. If ever there was a season to gamble on going for promotion, this was the one. However the budget has not been well spent. I don't think replacing the manager is ever an instant solution and some of the names suggested are absurd but this isn't good enough - it's looking like a wasted season with boring football. Think you nailed it in your 2nd paragraph, the two full backs Megwa and Sayers aren’t good enough and the amount of crosses we allow in to our box causes us so many problems. Give Sayers a bit of slack, new to this level and gets absolutely no help from Fitzpatrick. Re Megwa , totally overrated and I think Doolan similar to a lot of other supporters including myself has been blindsided a bit because of Megwa’s performances in the play off games for Airdrie when he has Fitzy in his back pocket The two full backs from today aren’t a patch on Harry Milne or Jack McMillan from last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 45 minutes ago, Lambies Lost Doo said: I genuinely love Doolan but now I'm looking and thinking we are playing the same way and changing nothing each game. It's like Groundhog Day. We desperately need a fit Lawless to start and pray McKay is close to full training. After that change midfield 3 but I'm a bit scunnered with that myself. With McNamara we had Lawless & Erskine were on the wings they would bust a gut chasing back to make us hard to beat. Paul Paton would not stop running. Welsh, Bannigan, Fraser, Forbes could all hold onto the ball and pass quickly up the park. We don't have that this season. When Doolan came in we were more dynamic and had Tiffoney moving into #10 role who was a revelation. Robinson is a good player but not as good as Tiffoney. Today defence was leaky when it's been our best area but Dunfermline 1st & 3rd goals were pretty special looking. If we were to replace him I'd like Neil McCann. A poster said the board have no idea but do they ever? Excluding Chief Execs of Britton & Maxwell who had football backgrounds everyone has always been business people or Alan Rough. And the Chief Exec does what the board tell them to do. Can you tell me what Neil McCann has achieved as a Manager to even be considered as a candidate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow & Redneck Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 Does anyone know when Doolan's contract runs until? Not that it matters because we'll go for another cheap option anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 What is the harm in giving Graham the gig until the end of the season ? We have nothing to lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 3 minutes ago, Yellow & Redneck said: Does anyone know when Doolan's contract runs until? Not that it matters because we'll go for another cheap option anyway. They are usually rolling contract ls at our level. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbyhouston Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 2 hours ago, King Kenny said: 4. Charlie Sayers is looking very much like another to join the long list of English academy players that can't handle Scottish football. He's young and has played very little football but he is so passive and lacks zero aggression which is what you need as standard at our level. To be fair to him, he had zero help from the guy in front of him. To hand him a 3 year deal seems pretty naïve at the moment. THERE IS A GOOD REASON WHY SAYERS SIGNED ON A 3 YEAR DEAL PLUS PISH WAGE DEAL FROM SPURS BECAUSE NOT ONE CLUB THOUGHT HE WAS GOOD ENOUGH TO KEEP DOWN SOUTH WE BROUGHT HIM UP ON A 3 YEAR DEAL PLUS PAYING HIS ACCOMMODATION AND HE’S ABSOLUTELY ROTTEN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbyhouston Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 6 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: What is the harm in giving Graham the gig until the end of the season ? We have nothing to lose. I’m hearing it wouldn’t be the brightest idea , It would harm the team because he’s not well liked by the woman’s team due to attitude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 2 hours ago, elevenone said: Was fab meeting @partickthedog today and putting a face to name. As for on the pitch least said the better but at least Graham and Bannigan were not holding back in their assessment post match. Yes, good to meet elevenone who was appropriately placed at Table 12. Looked like the eleven on the pitch had not previously been introduced to each other. I usually try to be positive in my assessments but it is difficult to find anything to say today. We have played poorly before this season, but this is the first time we have been completely taken apart. Not sure what changes of personnel or tactics will help us out of the rut. All I can do is toddle along to Hamilton on Friday in the hope that something will have improved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted January 4 Author Report Share Posted January 4 What a horrible day. Season over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagtastic Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 (edited) 31 minutes ago, partickthedog said: Yes, good to meet elevenone who was appropriately placed at Table 12. Looked like the eleven on the pitch had not previously been introduced to each other. I usually try to be positive in my assessments but it is difficult to find anything to say today. We have played poorly before this season, but this is the first time we have been completely taken apart. Not sure what changes of personnel or tactics will help us out of the rut. All I can do is toddle along to Hamilton on Friday in the hope that something will have improved. I was at table 12 as well but I must have missed the forum handle unmaskings. A good afternoon ruined by a game of football. Fair play to Graham and Bannigan for being frank about the performance. That said, if there isn’t a reaction to back that up from the players next week then I think my patience with Doolan will be completely shot. Edited January 4 by Jagtastic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jag Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 Didn't think we were much worse today than we normally are, at least going forward. We just lost some goals we wouldn't usually lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 2 hours ago, Third Lanark said: Is this speculation Jim or a fact that Graham would get the gig regardless? Mat - we dont have any money - we are offloading players in January to get the Wage Bill down the Board need to keep £300K in Cash Reserves at all times - we have a massive Wage Bill on and off the Park So Financial Reality is hitting - we cant afford anyone but Graham + he has his backers on the Club Board and the TJF Board as he manages the Woman's Team What is clear is that there is No Plan - off the Park or on it They thought we were going to get promoted - now its clear that we are not - they have no idea what to do next Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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