javeajag Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, jaf said: I never said it wasn't I was just stating something factually accurate which has been happening, ie Dortmund have been using their stadium (since last Friday) as a testing centre https://www.bvb.de/News/Uebersicht/SIGNAL-IDUNA-PARK-wird-Corona-Behandlungszentrum Everything doesn't need to be an adversarial pissing competition No meant that way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlgarveJag Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 16 minutes ago, javeajag said: Dundee voting against according to the courier ICT might gamble that league reconstruction to save Hearts would drag them along with Dundee Utd. but Dundee need the playoffs. Ayr don’t want promotion anyway as they have no ambition beyond the Championship as they’ve shown in the past Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 12 minutes ago, AlgarveJag said: ICT might gamble that league reconstruction to save Hearts would drag them along with Dundee Utd. but Dundee need the playoffs. Ayr don’t want promotion anyway as they have no ambition beyond the Championship as they’ve shown in the past Dundee would not vote for United to be promoted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 55 minutes ago, javeajag said: Agreed.....We could start a month later in June play Saturday and Wednesday and complete the leagues that month I really don't think we're anything like as close to just a month behind Germany Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camallain Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 Saw this on the BBC Scottish Football page: "And the Ibrox club say they have received "numerous reports" from Scottish sides "relating to attempts to coerce and bully them" into backing the SPFL's own proposal" Can't say it comes as a surprise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 3 hours ago, javeajag said: I understand if the vote goes through today we will launch legal action after having taken initial legal advice This is all hot air. I’m led to believe that under membership rules a club cannot sue the authority when a majority vote goes through, the same goes with UEFA and FIFA rules where a member club or association cannot take its ruling body to court with the exception of the sport arbitration court Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 13 minutes ago, Norgethistle said: This is all hot air. I’m led to believe that under membership rules a club cannot sue the authority when a majority vote goes through, the same goes with UEFA and FIFA rules where a member club or association cannot take its ruling body to court with the exception of the sport arbitration court Could be ... we shall see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 46 minutes ago, Norgethistle said: This is all hot air. I’m led to believe that under membership rules a club cannot sue the authority when a majority vote goes through, the same goes with UEFA and FIFA rules where a member club or association cannot take its ruling body to court with the exception of the sport arbitration court Think there is going to be a lot of twists and turns in this , Sevco will certainly appeal this even just to appease their fans , if that happens nothing can happen till that appeal is heard , and I doubt if prize money will be dished out till there is a conclusion. The only country so far to break ranks Is Belgium, the rest at this moment are trying to finish their season whether that’s behind closed doors or whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 you have to laugh or you would cry.... https://spfl.co.uk/news/board-update-on-rangers-resolution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gianlucatoni Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, javeajag said: you have to laugh or you would cry.... https://spfl.co.uk/news/board-update-on-rangers-resolution If the h*ns did indeed have numerous attempts at contact yesterday, contrary to the SPFL statement, then there will be an evidential paper trail of calls/emails. If they have it, then such trails should be published to discredit the SPFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 Could individual players sue the SPFL if relegation clauses lead to a loss of earnings or even a release from their contract? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, gianlucatoni said: If the h*ns did indeed have numerous attempts at contact yesterday, contrary to the SPFL statement, then there will be an evidential paper trail of calls/emails. If they have it, then such trails should be published to discredit the SPFL. The statement is evidence that SPFL are taking an “its my way or the highway” stance - but also surprising that they are throwing out Rangers resolution without any discussion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, javeajag said: you have to laugh or you would cry.... https://spfl.co.uk/news/board-update-on-rangers-resolution SPFL trying to find a way out if Sevco appeal , think it’s going to be resubmitted. The last paragraph re prize money is just blackmail. If these proposals do go ahead, there at least should be compensation packages for the Clubs most affected PTFC and Hearts especially because the financial meltdown of relegation is going to be horrendous and cost employees and players their livelihoods . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaf Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, javeajag said: you have to laugh or you would cry.... https://spfl.co.uk/news/board-update-on-rangers-resolution I know we want to be pally with Rangers here because it suits us, but that's a ridiculous proposal. The SPFL Limited is a technically insolvent organisation whose liabilities exceed its assets - for the directors of such an organisation to dish out loans in the present environment (which their articles do not even give them the power to do arguably) is a nonsense proposition frankly. I hope we aren't getting our legal advice from the same place as Rangers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, jaf said: I know we want to be pally with Rangers here because it suits us, but that's a ridiculous proposal. The SPFL Limited is a technically insolvent organisation whose liabilities exceed its assets - for the directors of such an organisation to dish out loans in the present environment (which their articles do not even give them the power to do arguably) is a nonsense proposition frankly. I hope we aren't getting our legal advice from the same place as Rangers! I would imagine there is finance there even if it is dressed up as prize money, even in these uncertain times the SPFL are making up their rules as they go on . They would even have a bit more credibility if it was one rule for all the Leagues rather than just focusing on the other 3 divisions . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaf Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, jlsarmy said: I would imagine there is finance there even if it is dressed up as prize money, even in these uncertain times the SPFL are making up their rules as they go on . They would even have a bit more credibility if it was one rule for all the Leagues rather than just focusing on the other 3 divisions . Yeah, I am not doubting there is cash there. That's not the point. Some of these clubs may not survive. And they are asking directors of a technically insolvent organisation to loan money to other potentially technically insolvent organisations who may become insolvent before this issue resolves itself (their articles doesn't say they have the power to make loans either). In terms of company law (not the SPFL's own making it up as they go along rules), that would make any company director think twice, and have a very shaky hand if they were signing such a resolution. Edited April 10, 2020 by jaf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaf Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 Ann Budge reported to have said that she don't think it will go through, but if it does Hearts will accept the decision if that is the will of their fellow clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delurker Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 The Retard claim to have polled everybody and they count 5 No votes in League 1, which if true would alone be enough to scupper it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 (edited) 59 minutes ago, jaf said: Ann Budge reported to have said that she don't think it will go through, but if it does Hearts will accept the decision if that is the will of their fellow clubs. Regardless of how they all vote , if Rangers aren't on board then it won't work . the broadcasters want to see at least 4 Old Firm Games and that's why they've probably tried to close the season down in the other 3 divisions. They probably knew there was going to be a reaction from Rangers , your point re solvency is interesting where would that leave our Club for example and Hearts . I think it would be a struggle to make ends might with lots of people losing their jobs . Edited April 10, 2020 by jlsarmy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 hour ago, delurker said: The Retard claim to have polled everybody and they count 5 No votes in League 1, which if true would alone be enough to scupper it. Not sure I agree. There needs to be more than 5 in league 1 and 2 voting against and SPFL have cleverly ensured that Brechin won’t vote against. Whether any playoff contenders in league 2 do is another question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exiledjag Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 19 hours ago, Emsca said: Are you sure that's right? When we vote No, but it gets passed because other Clubs vote in favour , we are denied our share of the money? Even for the SPFL I cannot believe that . I meant yes or no in the majority sense not in the individual. So clubs who vote no - let's say Rangers, Hearts and us will still receive their share if the overall vote is yes! Apologies for lack of precision in my writing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotterJag Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 Regarding the vote, is it: a - 75% required in each division b - a combined 75% from all divisions Thanks Cotter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Big Col Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 Anyone who is harbouring any notions about “Sporting integrity” are going to be sorely disappointed. Each club will vote for what suits themselves, which is only to be expected, and something that I would hope our club would also do and look out for our interests firstly and foremost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 Here we go, here we go... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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