Fawlty Towers Posted April 2, 2023 Report Share Posted April 2, 2023 Looks like we are in for an exciting run in given 7 teams are competing for 4 places. I am sure that someone out there will have a spreadsheet that will tell us how it will all end up but I expect a few twists and turns. Queens Park (5): Thistle (A), Accies (H), Ayr (A), Morton (A), Dundee (H) Dundee (6): Arbroath (A), Raith (H), Morton (H), ICT (A), Cove (H), Queens Park (A) Ayr (5): Morton (H), Thistle (A), Queens Park (H), Raith (H), ICT (A) Thistle (5): Queens Park (H), Ayr (H), Accies (A), Arbroath (H), Raith (A) Morton (6): Ayr (A), Accies (H), Dundee (A), Raith (H), Queens Park (H), Cove (A) ICT (6): Raith (H), Arbroath (H), Cove (A), Accies (A), Dundee (H), Ayr (H) Raith (7): Accies (H), ICT (A), Dundee (A), Arbroath (H), Morton (A), Ayr (A), Thistle (H) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted April 2, 2023 Report Share Posted April 2, 2023 At the risk of jinxing it - Win all three home games and at Hamilton and the impetus will be with us going into a final game that will hopefully give us a shot at automatic promotion. Given how steady the defence has been since Dools took the helm, it's not unrealistic. There again, now that I've said it................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted April 2, 2023 Report Share Posted April 2, 2023 Cliche alert. For me we just have take it one game at time. The only game we have any influence on is our own. Get the best results we can and see how other games go. It will go down to the final week of fixtures to decide who wins the league and gets into play offs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Jag Posted April 2, 2023 Report Share Posted April 2, 2023 Even if we win all five, we could still finish only 3rd. My gut is this is Dundee’s to lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted April 2, 2023 Report Share Posted April 2, 2023 I'd be hopeful if it was a case of just needing one other team to slip up but not two*. Besides Dundee and QP have still to play each other, which doesn't help. Think realistically we're looking at third place as our best likely finish. * I'm counting out Ayr as I'm assuming we have to win all five remaining games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laukat Posted April 3, 2023 Report Share Posted April 3, 2023 As @lady-isobel-barnett has said I can't see us winning the title as we need 2 teams to mess up. Agree with @Woodstock Jag that its Dundee's title to lose and that would be even more the case if the get 3 points at Arbroath as that looks one of the trickiest remaining fixtures. As the remaining fixtures are repeats of round 2 if the same results happen again the table would, I think, finish like below Dundee - 65 points Queens Park - 61 points Ayr United - 59 points Thistle - 57 points Morton - 54 points Raith - 49 points ICT - 48 points It suggests somewhere around 55 points is required to get into the playoffs. However there are a couple of things that would point to ICT doing better with Morton and Ayr not doing so well. For ICT round 2 was the peak of their injury crisis and assuming that is now over they should get better results than last round. Their form since the January transfer window allowed them to get some bodies in has picked up with 19 points in 12 games and a ppg of 1.58. If that continues they will be around 52. Ayr have struggled since the January Transfer window as they never replaced Chalmers. Since then they have played 9 games and got 9 points for 1ppg since January. Seems unlikely that in the remaining 5 games they get 10 points as that would mean 2ppg so more likely they get 6 points and finish on around 55 points. I could add that since January they have been played all the teams they are about to play in the last 5 and only picked up 4 points so its going to take a wee bit of a change in form for Ayr to keep 3rd. Morton have struggled since February after signing Ali Crawford and Imrie shoe-horning him into the team. Since then 5 games played and only 3 points taken for a ppg of 0.6. If Imrie corrects and Morton get back to pre-Crawford form of 1.6ppg then they still only get to 53 points Our ppg under Doolan is 2ppg if that continued we would get to 60 points which seems unlikely now that Milne is injured. However our ppg under McCall's 24 games was 1.5ppg so that would suggest a range that means we would get somewhere between 55 and 58 points. That range looks good for a playoff spot and probably 3rd. If we did get to between 58-60 then we might well pip Queens for second but that's really only possible with 3 points on Saturday. One potential positive for us is that by the time we play Arbroath and Raith there is a chance both have nothing to play for. All of the teams at the top of the table are playing each other so will likely all be playing for something until the last game. Could well be that if Morton, Ayr, ICT or Queens are in the playoffs they arrive knackered from having battled the previous weeks to get there. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted April 3, 2023 Report Share Posted April 3, 2023 8 minutes ago, laukat said: As @lady-isobel-barnett has said I can't see us winning the title as we need 2 teams to mess up. Agree with @Woodstock Jag that its Dundee's title to lose and that would be even more the case if the get 3 points at Arbroath as that looks one of the trickiest remaining fixtures. As the remaining fixtures are repeats of round 2 if the same results happen again the table would, I think, finish like below Dundee - 65 points Queens Park - 61 points Ayr United - 59 points Thistle - 57 points Morton - 54 points Raith - 49 points ICT - 48 points It suggests somewhere around 55 points is required to get into the playoffs. However there are a couple of things that would point to ICT doing better with Morton and Ayr not doing so well. For ICT round 2 was the peak of their injury crisis and assuming that is now over they should get better results than last round. Their form since the January transfer window allowed them to get some bodies in has picked up with 19 points in 12 games and a ppg of 1.58. If that continues they will be around 52. Ayr have struggled since the January Transfer window as they never replaced Chalmers. Since then they have played 9 games and got 9 points for 1ppg since January. Seems unlikely that in the remaining 5 games they get 10 points as that would mean 2ppg so more likely they get 6 points and finish on around 55 points. I could add that since January they have been played all the teams they are about to play in the last 5 and only picked up 4 points so its going to take a wee bit of a change in form for Ayr to keep 3rd. Morton have struggled since February after signing Ali Crawford and Imrie shoe-horning him into the team. Since then 5 games played and only 3 points taken for a ppg of 0.6. If Imrie corrects and Morton get back to pre-Crawford form of 1.6ppg then they still only get to 53 points Our ppg under Doolan is 2ppg if that continued we would get to 60 points which seems unlikely now that Milne is injured. However our ppg under McCall's 24 games was 1.5ppg so that would suggest a range that means we would get somewhere between 55 and 58 points. That range looks good for a playoff spot and probably 3rd. If we did get to between 58-60 then we might well pip Queens for second but that's really only possible with 3 points on Saturday. One potential positive for us is that by the time we play Arbroath and Raith there is a chance both have nothing to play for. All of the teams at the top of the table are playing each other so will likely all be playing for something until the last game. Could well be that if Morton, Ayr, ICT or Queens are in the playoffs they arrive knackered from having battled the previous weeks to get there. So. If I can summarise. We don't have a scooby what is going to happen. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laukat Posted April 3, 2023 Report Share Posted April 3, 2023 46 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said: So. If I can summarise. We don't have a scooby what is going to happen. Thats certainly a fair summary. Another fair summary would be I have to much time on my hands in between Thistle games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy McD Posted April 3, 2023 Report Share Posted April 3, 2023 3 hours ago, laukat said: Thats certainly a fair summary. Another fair summary would be I have to much time on my hands in between Thistle games. You have a day less this week, is that a good thing or a bad thing ??????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted April 3, 2023 Report Share Posted April 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Jimmy McD said: You have a day less this week, is that a good thing or a bad thing ??????? It is made up by the following game being back to a Saturday. A bit like when the clocks get changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grubber8468 Posted April 4, 2023 Report Share Posted April 4, 2023 Hamilton beat raith tonight which hopefully takes them out any potential for play off spot!!👍👍👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End 2 Posted April 4, 2023 Report Share Posted April 4, 2023 3 minutes ago, Grubber8468 said: Hamilton beat raith tonight which hopefully takes them out any potential for play off spot!!👍👍👍 Yep. Good result for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norgethistle Posted April 4, 2023 Report Share Posted April 4, 2023 On 4/2/2023 at 7:18 PM, Fawlty Towers said: Looks like we are in for an exciting run in given 7 teams are competing for 4 places. I am sure that someone out there will have a spreadsheet that will tell us how it will all end up but I expect a few twists and turns. Queens Park (5): Thistle (A), Accies (H), Ayr (A), Morton (A), Dundee (H) Dundee (6): Arbroath (A), Raith (H), Morton (H), ICT (A), Cove (H), Queens Park (A) Ayr (5): Morton (H), Thistle (A), Queens Park (H), Raith (H), ICT (A) Thistle (5): Queens Park (H), Ayr (H), Accies (A), Arbroath (H), Raith (A) Morton (6): Ayr (A), Accies (H), Dundee (A), Raith (H), Queens Park (H), Cove (A) ICT (6): Raith (H), Arbroath (H), Cove (A), Accies (A), Dundee (H), Ayr (H) Raith (7): Accies (H), ICT (A), Dundee (A), Arbroath (H), Morton (A), Ayr (A), Thistle (H) I think it’ll go like this Queens park will get 7 points (lose to us and Ayr) draw with Dundee Ayr will get 6 points (lose to us, beat QP draw remaining) Morton will get 9 points (Draw Ayr, Raith & Dundee, beat Accies & Cove) ICT will get 6 points (Draw Raith, Ayr, Arbroath, beat Cove) Raith will get 4 points (Draw ICT, Arbroath, Morton & Ayr) Dundee will get 11 points (Draw Morton, Queens park, beat Raith, ICT & Cove) Thistle will get 11 points (Draw Arbroath & Accies win the rest) Dundee - 64 Queens park - 61 Thistle - 59 Ayr - 55 Morton - 52 ICT - 48 Raith - 45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partickthedog Posted April 4, 2023 Report Share Posted April 4, 2023 Can I set a mathematical challenge? Is it possible to contrive a set of results which means that the top 7 clubs all end on the same points mark and the bottom 3 clubs also all end on the same points mark? Assuming that the goal difference can be fixed so that is even as well what happens to promotion, relegation and play offs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeanieD Posted April 5, 2023 Report Share Posted April 5, 2023 Alphabetical order and we assume the mantle of Aalborg FC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert's Ghost Posted April 5, 2023 Report Share Posted April 5, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, Norgethistle said: I'll raise you: Dundee - 65 Queens park - 60 Thistle - 55 Ayr - 54 ICT - 52 Morton - 49 Raith - 46 Edited April 5, 2023 by Albert's Ghost t'was pish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert's Ghost Posted April 5, 2023 Report Share Posted April 5, 2023 16 hours ago, Norgethistle said: I think it’ll go like this Queens park will get 7 points (lose to us and Ayr) draw with Dundee Ayr will get 6 points (lose to us, beat QP draw remaining) Morton will get 9 points (Draw Ayr, Raith & Dundee, beat Accies & Cove) ICT will get 6 points (Draw Raith, Ayr, Arbroath, beat Cove) Raith will get 4 points (Draw ICT, Arbroath, Morton & Ayr) Dundee will get 11 points (Draw Morton, Queens park, beat Raith, ICT & Cove) Thistle will get 11 points (Draw Arbroath & Accies win the rest) Dundee - 64 Queens park - 61 Thistle - 59 Ayr - 55 Morton - 52 ICT - 48 Raith - 45 I'll raise you: Dundee - 65 Queens park - 60 Thistle - 55 Ayr - 54 ICT - 52 Morton - 49 Raith - 46 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exiledjag Posted April 5, 2023 Report Share Posted April 5, 2023 On 4/2/2023 at 11:23 PM, Woodstock Jag said: Even if we win all five, we could still finish only 3rd. My gut is this is Dundee’s to lose. I agree with this. All the other results, except the Jags winning all 5 games, are crystal ball gazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted April 6, 2023 Report Share Posted April 6, 2023 On 4/4/2023 at 10:47 PM, partickthedog said: Can I set a mathematical challenge? Is it possible to contrive a set of results which means that the top 7 clubs all end on the same points mark and the bottom 3 clubs also all end on the same points mark? Assuming that the goal difference can be fixed so that is even as well what happens to promotion, relegation and play offs? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thistle4celtic1 Posted April 8, 2023 Report Share Posted April 8, 2023 (edited) Team Final Now Results Thistle 59 51 3 1 3 1 Ayr (H) Accies (A) Arbroath (H Raith (A) Dundee 59 54 1 0 0 3 1 Raith (H) Morton (H) ICT (A) Cove (H) Queens Park (A) Queens Park 59 54 0 1 1 3 Ayr (A) Morton (A) Dundee (H) Accies (H) Ayr 59 50 0 3 3 3 Thistle (A) Queens Park (H) Raith (H) ICT (A) Morton 57 44 3 3 3 1 3 Accies (H) Dundee (A) Raith (H) Queens Park (H) Cove (A) ICT 57 45 3 3 3 3 0 Arbroath (H) Cove (A) Accies (A) Dundee (H) Ayr (H) Team Final Now Results Thistle 61 51 3 3 3 1 Ayr (H) Accies (A) Arbroath (H Raith (A) Dundee 60 54 1 1 0 3 1 Raith (H) Morton (H) ICT (A) Cove (H) Queens Park (A) Queens Park 59 54 0 1 1 3 Ayr (A) Morton (A) Dundee (H) Accies (H) Ayr 59 50 0 3 3 3 Thistle (A) Queens Park (H) Raith (H) ICT (A) Edited April 8, 2023 by thistle4celtic1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garscube Road End 2 Posted April 9, 2023 Report Share Posted April 9, 2023 I feel confident in us winning all our remaining games. Yesterday's results went pretty well for us. Dundee still favourites, but 2nd spot definitely on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dl1971 Posted April 9, 2023 Report Share Posted April 9, 2023 Dundee still have to play Morton, ICT and QP on the last day. I'm thinking this is going down to the last day.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted April 9, 2023 Report Share Posted April 9, 2023 Basically Dundee have to drop 6 points in 5 games and Queens Park 3 in 4 to give us a chance. I can see both of those happening, which gives us a chance. All our remaining games are winnable if we play to our best and get a little luck. It won’t be easy, but after this weekend results it is game on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted April 9, 2023 Report Share Posted April 9, 2023 The game at NDP has all the hallmarks of a cup tie. Could be a case where a draw wouldn't suit either Accies or us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeanieD Posted April 9, 2023 Report Share Posted April 9, 2023 Whilst it would be a feather in our cap I’m not convinced promotion at this time would necessarily be in the best interest of the club. Would be delighted if it happened but it would be tempered by a certain anxiety for next season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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