Lambies Lost Doo Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 9 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said: Reduce the Non Football Overhead by £100K - reduce the Football overhead by the same amount - that gives you a buffer against losses employ a part time Strength & Conditioning Coach from outwith Football - stop depending on “ “ stats” and software - strict simple Measurable Fitness Targets & Body Fat - or you are training extra until you achieve them - and if need be your dropped Keep Dools until the End of the Season - if we up the anti -we should make the PlayOffs Use some of the Play Off Money to replace Doolls if we dont get promoted -as its time to change Management Fitter Faster Stronger Players will be more motivated and confident Review the Scouting & Recruitment Set up as its clearly failed Non football overhead would be making prob 4 staff redundant with pay outs. Football pay out would be up to 4 players gone. New coach would be £15/20k part time? All interesting ideas but we still need to think of numbers and this is where we need the numbers guys on the board to do the vital/boring part which is also cut throat to balance those spreadsheets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 7 minutes ago, Lambies Lost Doo said: Non football overhead would be making prob 4 staff redundant with pay outs. Football pay out would be up to 4 players gone. New coach would be £15/20k part time? All interesting ideas but we still need to think of numbers and this is where we need the numbers guys on the board to do the vital/boring part which is also cut throat to balance those spreadsheets. 3 Staff and some other Non Essential Overhead 4 Players and some other Non Essential Overhead You cut with a Scalpel not an Axe - which is then down to the Quality of the Directors making the decisions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 10 hours ago, Third Lanark said: Some guy saying at hospitality sayers is our highest paid player. If this "some guy" was in the same state as I was when I eventually got home from hospitality and a subsequent couple of hostelries...... well, the words pinch of salt come to mind. Someone could've told me a scout from Paris Saint-Germain was at the game monitoring Charlie Sayers progress and I wouldn't have dismissed it out of hand. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weebaw1 Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 40 minutes ago, Lambies Lost Doo said: On McBeth where is his best position? Last season our defence improved when he was Centre Half. O'Reilly & Ashworth can't be split up though. In midfield he's big, can take ball on half turn and uses his power to bring the team forward so can shake things up there. I'm just not sure if it's as a 10 (Robinson) or middle 2 (Bannigan/Turner). And someone made a good point. The young boys have been frozen out when we need energy and positivity. He’s our best CB by a long way. So play him at CB. The other 2 have played well but not so well in the last 2 games! Get Luke in now, even if we need to go to 3 at the back with Megwa and Chslmers at WB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeanieD Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 With any luck the game on Friday could be iced off (Clyde’s game was on yesterday I know but the forecast is pretty poor for the rest of the week - especially Friday). Then another blank week due to Cup elimination so potentially a 3 week break which I think some might welcome? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Col Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 1 hour ago, JeanieD said: With any luck the game on Friday could be iced off (Clyde’s game was on yesterday I know but the forecast is pretty poor for the rest of the week - especially Friday). Then another blank week due to Cup elimination so potentially a 3 week break which I think some might welcome? Fatigue isn’t the issue. Although a 3 week break may be good for the fans blood pressure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watties wallies Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 I trust the squad is in today after Saturdays shambolic display how to take a throw in, reminding players we play in the red and yellow shirts movement on and off the ball, when you lose possession you bloody well bust a gut to get the ball back you score goals by putting the ball into the oppositions goal, that is that big rectangular white netting object in the opposition half i could go on and on as others have said this result has been coming for a long time heidless chickens came to mind watching that on saturday this is our team we can do better than this 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow & Redneck Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 The irony of Roberts ending up at Ross County (...if only we hadn't blown a three goal lead). Even if Doolan were to stay on and make the play-offs, there is no chance we will be promoted. And then we end up in the position of trusting him to rebuild a squad which is terrifying. The whole club are beyond incompetent in that department. Reminds me of the massive budget we blew under Dick Campbell which we didn't financially recover for for years (Gillies, Snowdon, Kilgannon, Brady). The idea that Sawyers was given a three year deal highlights that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 I can't disagree with anything that has been said about the game yesterday. Our best and only good move resulted in our goal, although you would expect their keeper to have done better. But after scoring from that good move our play was disjointed and our passing was non existent in the first half. The second half Dunfermline were happy for us to have possession as they knew we would do nothing with it. Yes i wanted Doolan to succeed as Thistle manager, but not just because he is a legend as a player, but because he is the Thistle manager, the same as i have always wanted any manager of Thistle to succeed in my approx 60 years or so of following the club. No matter how his tenure ends as manager, at the moment it looks as if it will be an unhappy one, no one can ever take away what he did for us as a player and i for one will always be grateful to him for that. Last season we finished 3rd and although we currently are 4th it is not out of the question that by the time that we play our next home game we could be out of the top 4, having had our budget increased by £300k from last season, to finish outside the top 4 this season is totally unacceptable imo. If we do replace Doolan i would be giving his replacement the rest of the season to see what they could do with the current squad as most think that we have a good squad that is under performing. I realise that this would probably mean we have only 2 options, Brian Graham or getting someone who is out of a job and has already been sacked at least once from failing at another club, but as we have no money to buy a manager out of their contract who is still employed i see no other option. I would not want Neil Lennon as our manager for a few reasons. I don't think he would be able to work well with our financial situation and i also think he brings issues with him that has nothing to do with football and issues i would not want our club involved with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 4 hours ago, Jaggernaut said: Doesn't all the play-off money get distributed across all the teams in the League? So, sack people left, right and centre ("review overheads" in your parlance).... some would argue that is a sure way to reduce our ability to generate income. Over-reliance on "stats and software": agreed. I can't help thinking that some players might well believe that they're doing a good job based on some technological outputs rather than their actual performances and the team's results. Review scouting & recruitment: some of our young teams seem to do well, so what's happening to the players? Current youngsters in the first-team squad have basically been frozen out by the manager to allow several 30-and-overs with reduced pace and motivation to play every week. Or parachuted-in players who looked good but are being found out. Where did I say “ sack people left & right” and on what basis is cutting overhead a link to reducing income - overhead reduction happens in most Companies Yes the Play off Money is split - but it gives us a lump sum to change manager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 Just now, Jordanhill Jag said: Where did I say “ sack people left & right” and on what basis is cutting overhead a link to reducing income - overhead reduction happens in most Companies Yes the Play off Money is split - but it gives us a lump sum to change manager You must know what Kris Doolan’s contract is on that basis ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 4 hours ago, Jaggernaut said: Doesn't all the play-off money get distributed across all the teams in the League? So, sack people left, right and centre ("review overheads" in your parlance).... some would argue that is a sure way to reduce our ability to generate income. Over-reliance on "stats and software": agreed. I can't help thinking that some players might well believe that they're doing a good job based on some technological outputs rather than their actual performances and the team's results. Review scouting & recruitment: some of our young teams seem to do well, so what's happening to the players? Current youngsters in the first-team squad have basically been frozen out by the manager to allow several 30-and-overs with reduced pace and motivation to play every week. Or parachuted-in players who looked good but are being found out. The SPFL take 50% of all playoff games money to help pay the parachute payment to relegated premier team. I think the remaining 50% goes to home team of each tie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 33 minutes ago, jlsarmy said: You must know what Kris Doolan’s contract is on that basis ? Based on previous Managers I can make a fair guess Our only option to replace mid Season is Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljaggo Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 Being a football manager must one of the few occupations where no regular, formal assessment of overall performance is done, and where no appropriate training is provided. Nor does there seem to be any discussion between Chair and manager about how things could improve, and what external advice or help could be provided. Does being a fan owned club make this (or more fundamental decisions) more or less difficult? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1876 Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 Said this a dozen times we are the most defensive team in the league Everyone knows our tatiçs it's been the same for 3 years 4_5 _ 1. Formation just invites teams to attack us Let's attack teams for a change and pin them back from the front . Players are told to play this Formation definitely not working or pleasant to watch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 1 hour ago, Jordanhill Jag said: Based on previous Managers I can make a fair guess Our only option to replace mid Season is Graham Not sure if a player/manager works and obviously with Brian Graham being in charge of the ladies team as well it creates lots of issues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifexile Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 3 minutes ago, jlsarmy said: Not sure if a player/manager works and obviously with Brian Graham being in charge of the ladies team as well it creates lots of issues If Graham was offered the job I assume he would stand down as PTWFC manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenziejag Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 4 hours ago, Jordanhill Jag said: Where did I say “ sack people left & right” and on what basis is cutting overhead a link to reducing income - overhead reduction happens in most Companies Yes the Play off Money is split - but it gives us a lump sum to change manager Can you clarify whether the £100K cuts for overhead and playing staff is for the remainder of this season or annually? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Jag Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 18 hours ago, Jaggernaut said: Any manager who starts almost every reply in an interview with "Listen,...." should be avoided. Most managers, players and pundits say 'listen', time they stopped it. If we aren't listening, we wouldn't hear them say 'listen' in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javeajag Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 12 minutes ago, Lenziejag said: Can you clarify whether the £100K cuts for overhead and playing staff is for the remainder of this season or annually? Why not both ? £100k is what a budget cut of less than 5% 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiThistle Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 Anyone know if our annual budget is broken down by “departmental” spend? I know a football club isn’t a traditional company, but I imagine things should be broken down into categories like: First team squad Sales/Marketing Media/PR Matchday operations Hospitality/Events Would make it a lot easier to identify or prioritize cuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsarmy Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 5 hours ago, 1876 said: Said this a dozen times we are the most defensive team in the league Everyone knows our tatiçs it's been the same for 3 years 4_5 _ 1. Formation just invites teams to attack us Let's attack teams for a change and pin them back from the front . Players are told to play this Formation definitely not working or pleasant to watch It’s variations of 4 - 5 -1 we play , either with Banzo as a holding midfielder or Robinson playing as a 10 behind BG In my opinion it’s not the system that is wrong , it’s the recruitment which has been inadequate If you think of the players who have left Docherty , Holt , Tiifoney etc , the players who have came in aren’t remotely at the same level Ideally I would like to play 3 - 5- 2 but we haven’t got any wing backs , that would let someone like Luke Mcbeth play as the middle centre half and join in with the midfield when necessary to press teams . Not happening any time soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 (edited) We generally play 4-2-3-1. The major problem is that Ross Docherty's discipline and reading of the game in midfield has never been adequately replaced.. Holt was a loss as an individual, but I'd suggest that Ashcroft/O'Reilly is a more solid partnership than Muirhead/Holt ever were. Tiffoney only really played number 10 during the play-off games. While he was certainly a revelation in there, Robinson can hardly be considered a failure. We benefitted from Fitzpatrick giving us another dimension on the left. However, he's just no been as effective this season for whatever reason. Chalmers has come on to a game, but Megwa has yet to convince he's even a better right back than Turner so far. There's more right with the team than there is wrong - in my opinion. That said, the onfield misfiring needs major work as the last four games have graphically demonstrated. Edited January 5 by Barney Rubble 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanhill Jag Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 3 hours ago, Lenziejag said: Can you clarify whether the £100K cuts for overhead and playing staff is for the remainder of this season or annually? £200k annually between playing & non playing £100K to the end of the Season if really pushed that figure could increase Suppose it gets down to knowing where to make the cuts and experience in running the Club on a tight budget Our Core problem is thus - the Jlo Board sacked the previous Board and all the experience of running the Club went with it The current Board replaced the Jlo Board and have no experience in running the Club and very little hands on Operational Experience in Business So we have no one who can look at things and know where to make changes ( off the park and on it ) add to the mix TJF “ Committees” and them having a say on all key decisions + the various agendas by multiple layers of decision influencers So rather than a Horse - we get a Camel If I was to do something ref the Squad its thus - dump the Body Belts - dump the Stats - this is where Archie starting getting it wrong in the Premier get them up Cleveden Hill on a Monday Morning - fitness is not complicated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jordanhill Jag said: £200k annually between playing & non playing £100K to the end of the Season if really pushed that figure could increase Suppose it gets down to knowing where to make the cuts and experience in running the Club on a tight budget Our Core problem is thus - the Jlo Board sacked the previous Board and all the experience of running the Club went with it The current Board replaced the Jlo Board and have no experience in running the Club and very little hands on Operational Experience in Business So we have no one who can look at things and know where to make changes ( off the park and on it ) add to the mix TJF “ Committees” and them having a say on all key decisions + the various agendas by multiple layers of decision influencers So rather than a Horse - we get a Camel If I was to do something ref the Squad its thus - dump the Body Belts - dump the Stats - this is where Archie starting getting it wrong in the Premier get them up Cleveden Hill on a Monday Morning - fitness is not complicated Jim - Have you ever thought of applying to be Team Manager, Sports Scientist and Commercial Manager? It would certainly achieve at least half of the savings you so clearly advocate. Edited January 5 by Barney Rubble 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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