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5 minutes ago, laukat said:

Technically correct answers but it starts from the basis of how the proposal to the clubs was processed. The SPFL and clubs could have sought more inclusive proposals sharing the impact of covid across all members rather than choosing to force demotions and award titles to teams who were not certain to finish there after the complete season of games.

They could have tabled a proposal that both awarded final placings but also put in place a temporary league reconstruction so no club was demoted and therefore suffered or they could have voided the leagues or they could have suspended the leagues and finished it before starting the current season.

I know none of those were deemed to garner sufficient support however that to my mind was because the SPFL and key clubs insisted on a vote finalise standings first rather than a single vote to finalise and reconstruct. Dundee's 'vote' was to my mind symptomatic of this manipulation. Dundee wanted reconstruction but niaively fell for a promise rather than a guarantee.

It is clearly incorrect to say the SPFL and SFA acted in the interest of all clubs just because they were found to have processed the proposal legally. I agree with @exiledjag that the club should take every opportunity to remind the SPFL, SFA and other clubs that they failed to act in the best interest of all clubs and that what they did was unfair on us, Falkirk, Stranraer and Hearts. Our circumstances are perhaps the most unfair of all when compounded by the decision to suspend the lower leagues.

One other  thought - This thread was started on March 11 2020 and we have all discussed not only what happens if they shut down season 19/20 but also discussed the strong likelyhood that season 20/21 would not complete. We as a group of fans have for season 20/21 known for months it was likely and that there were various ways of dealing with it. However the SFA and SPFL seem to have suspended league 1 and 2 with no real plan for the knock on effect of that decision. It surely can't hae been a surprise to them that this might be required as it clearly wasn't to us so what exactly is the advice from the SFA on how lower leagues deal with the transfer windows? Where's the support for lower league clubs? Why aren't the SFA/SPFL able to tell us how long the suspension lasts before the season cannot be completed?

In short why are highly paid individuals such as Maxwell and Doncaster not been able to produce a contingency plan when its been known for months that one was needed? Surely they've not been sitting on their rear-ends hoping the pandemic would go away before they would have to act?

They are working on the 4 stage strategy:

 

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5 minutes ago, Fawlty Towers said:

They are working on the 4 stage strategy:

That looks far too close to the truth.

Its even worse when you think back to Doncaster and Mulreany on Sportsound saying the decision by SG to not allow fans return was a political choice. 

If it was, as those 2 clowns suggested, a political choice then not to allow fans to return then the decision to put a partial closure in place can only be seen as a very political choice by the SFA and SPFL.

At every point in this pandemic the SFA and SPFL have sought to pass the buck and hope someone else makes the choice for them. They are utterly unfit for purpose and completely incapable of leadership.

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3 minutes ago, laukat said:

That looks far too close to the truth.

Its even worse when you think back to Doncaster and Mulreany on Sportsound saying the decision by SG to not allow fans return was a political choice. 

If it was, as those 2 clowns suggested, a political choice then not to allow fans to return then the decision to put a partial closure in place can only be seen as a very political choice by the SFA and SPFL.

At every point in this pandemic the SFA and SPFL have sought to pass the buck and hope someone else makes the choice for them. They are utterly unfit for purpose and completely incapable of leadership.

They should get Teflon to sponsor Scottish football, as nothing ever sticks to them.

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If McCall Out gets his way and we are advertising for a new management team sooner rather than later, maybe we should not be looking for the usual characteristics such as managerial ability, experience and track record, or even deftness of touch with the PowerPoint.

The interview should focus on proficiency in musical chairs-how to be in the right place at the right time when the music stops. :music::whistling::happy2:

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To be honest it probably makes sense for leagues without testing to be suspended at the moment. However the SPFL and SFA lack of consultation and commuication just shows the total disregard for the lower leagues. There has been money made available for scottish football that should have in part been put aside for testing in the lower leagues in this situation. Bottom line is its all about protecting the top clubs, keeping the sky deal going and lining the pockets of  the SPFL executives. It was clear when the season got called ,and it is now ,that they basically couldn't care less about the smaller clubs. Can't see any signs that alternative options around testing were considered for the lower leagues looks like they were just offered  up after the Dubai debacle without any consultation to appease the SG 

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3 hours ago, Jag36 said:

To be honest it probably makes sense for leagues without testing to be suspended at the moment. However the SPFL and SFA lack of consultation and commuication just shows the total disregard for the lower leagues. There has been money made available for scottish football that should have in part been put aside for testing in the lower leagues in this situation. Bottom line is its all about protecting the top clubs, keeping the sky deal going and lining the pockets of  the SPFL executives. It was clear when the season got called ,and it is now ,that they basically couldn't care less about the smaller clubs. Can't see any signs that alternative options around testing were considered for the lower leagues looks like they were just offered  up after the Dubai debacle without any consultation to appease the SG 

Will anybody be surprised if "suspended for the moment" turns out to be "finished for this season"?

It might well be the thin edge of the wedge.

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8 hours ago, Auld Jag said:

As already said full list of championship games due to be played tonight, then they were all cancelled to play cup ties , then  the cancellation for 3 weeks of all leagues below championship and all Scottish cup ties as well. Scottish football you couldn't make it up.:thinking:

You certainly couldn’t. The decision was taken on Monday, but the cup tie was allowed to go ahead on Monday night. It seems ridiculous that the SPFL didn’t say that the scheduled league games go ahead as planned. They have now added an additional set of games to be squeezed into the season. 

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3 hours ago, Jaggernaut said:

Will anybody be surprised if "suspended for the moment" turns out to be "finished for this season"?

It might well be the thin edge of the wedge.

The way things are just now in terms of the pandemic and even more restrictions today , I think our season is complete .

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No chance we start playing at start of Feb. Only possibility could be the lower leagues start up in April/May and play through the summer months. The top leagues can’t do that because of the euros

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35 minutes ago, p12tfc said:

No chance we start playing at start of Feb. Only possibility could be the lower leagues start up in April/May and play through the summer months. The top leagues can’t do that because of the euros

Think you're making the mistake of thinking that they care at all about the lower leagues completing their season.

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1 hour ago, jlsarmy said:

The way things are just now in terms of the pandemic and even more restrictions today , I think our season is complete .

Not so sure. It would need a vote of league one/two clubs to agree to null and void, or final placings, and with so many teams in contention for playoffs, I can't see the self interest parties agreeing to that.

I can't see the premier league lasting much longer. Interesting to see what they do there. Not giving the title to Rangers would be funny, but so would Celtic not getting 10 in a row

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58 minutes ago, p12tfc said:

No chance we start playing at start of Feb. Only possibility could be the lower leagues start up in April/May and play through the summer months. The top leagues can’t do that because of the euros

Would make total sense to play through the summer if they have too. Would be very suprised if the situation wasnt much better by then. But do the SPFL even care enough to consider this or will they just pull the plug on the season and be done with it. Also im sure the premiership will be allowed to continue unless there are any other significant breaches of protocols and the SG intervenes

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From BBC Gossip

All 42 SPFL clubs will meet virtually on Wednesday for crisis talks where lower-league chairmen will voice their concerns at the current shutdown of football below the top two tiers. (Daily Mail, print edition)

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6 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said:

From BBC Gossip

All 42 SPFL clubs will meet virtually on Wednesday for crisis talks where lower-league chairmen will voice their concerns at the current shutdown of football below the top two tiers. (Daily Mail, print edition)

Jings! That's J. Low will be voicing her sanctimonious opinion.  Oh dear! We are well and truly knackered. 

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9 minutes ago, Dick Dastardly said:

From BBC Gossip

All 42 SPFL clubs will meet virtually on Wednesday for crisis talks where lower-league chairmen will voice their concerns at the current shutdown of football below the top two tiers. (Daily Mail, print edition)

Yet another round of crisis talks. One thing the SPFL is capable of doing is arranging a crisis meeting. Assuming their Teams or Zoom app doesn't crash.

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6 minutes ago, fifexile said:

Yet another round of crisis talks. One thing the SPFL is capable of doing is arranging a crisis meeting. Assuming their Teams or Zoom app doesn't crash.

If Dundee log in 3 days late will their opinion still count?

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17 minutes ago, Garscube Road End 2 said:

If Dundee log in 3 days late will their opinion still count?

Only if Neil Doncaster has a chat with them first

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1 hour ago, p12tfc said:

No chance we start playing at start of Feb. Only possibility could be the lower leagues start up in April/May and play through the summer months. The top leagues can’t do that because of the euros

Agree there is no chance we play in February. Earliest is probably late March but more likely April.

However that means playing 17 games in about 6 weeks to allow the playoffs between league 1 and championship to start. So either the League 1 clubs will be going into playoffs knackered having played so many games in a short period of time or Championship clubs will go in rusty because the playoffs don't start until June or the playoffs are cancelled.

When you add the players contracts ending on 1st July and I know what my money would be on.

I suspect it will be playoffs cancelled and a 18 game league for us. That will leave us having to catch Falkirk in 8 games.

We'll probably have to do that with the squad we have signed just now as I don't see how you can recruit when in furlough or sign anyone useful outside of the window.

I don't see why the Euro's is a reason to keep the Championship going?

This season should be voided for all. We're not far enough into it for final places to be awarded.

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1 hour ago, Garscube Road End 2 said:

If Dundee log in 3 days late will their opinion still count?

If it’s the same opinion as Peter Lawell you can bet it will definitely still count

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Nothing would surprise me with the clowns that run our game and the self interest of all the clubs, especially the wee diddy clubs that proliferate the 3 lower divisions.

Of course we have been dreadful in the last few seasons but rewind 2 or 3 years and St Mirren could have been in our position.  My Buddy supporting pal wouldn’t be so pompous.

We’ve been very unlucky to be in this position and the way we’ve been treated by most of our peers and the miscreants at the SPFL, every step of the way, threatens our existence.

If they wind up the season and go to the playoffs, we shall again be disadvantaged in a similar manner to last year as if we win our game in hand we’d have been in the play off positions. 
 

Surely they can’t decide the season after 10 games played.  Or can they?

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I think we can be sure if any decisions are taken today (or in the future) they will be in the interests of Sky, the ugly sisters, the rest of the Premier league and then the otherclubs in that order. 

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53 minutes ago, fifexile said:

I think we can be sure if any decisions are taken today (or in the future) they will be in the interests of Sky, the ugly sisters, the rest of the Premier league and then  sacrafise the otherclubs in that order. 

FTFY :happy2:

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