lady-isobel-barnett Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 I note if Dundee were to become Club 12 their home games coincide 9 times out of 30 games with fixtures scheduled for Tannadice. That's a fair bit of re-scheduling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig-W Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 Heard this over two months ago, from a very much in the know, reliable source. Â Can I ask why none of these rumours have actually become public in the news? Especially if they've been floating around for two months? Or are the powers that be simply going to sweep it all under the carpet to avoid rocking the Titanic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 Can I ask why none of these rumours have actually become public in the news? Especially if they've been floating around for two months? Or are the powers that be simply going to sweep it all under the carpet to avoid rocking the Titanic? Â Lot of digging still to be done!!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlgarveJag Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 I like the anodyne sound of Sevco 5088 FC shower of cnuts hope they disappear forever  Surely the SPL have already declared both the result of the vote on the 4th of July and the new name of the team whose old name I've already forgotten.  Club 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeanieD Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 I believe the new Govan side are happy to be called Club 12 but have requested that the month of their election to the corrupt SPL be included - thus Club July 12. Â After all one of their assets is bigotry prejudice and a long memory of Irish history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 I believe the new Govan side are happy to be called Club 12 Â I think they should be called Club Tropicana, be forced to wear Hawaiian shirts as strips, and have to dance like Andrew Ridgely as part of their warm up routine at 3rd Division games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazy davie Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 I would like them to be called Club Corrupt Criminals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinny Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 Govan Juniors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 I'd just like to club them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gianlucatoni Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 (edited) I think they should be called Club Tropicana, be forced to wear Hawaiian shirts as strips, and have to dance like Andrew Ridgely as part of their warm up routine at 3rd Division games. Â I think you may have to explain that one further for the younger members of the forum! Edited June 20, 2012 by gianlucatoni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 Â I think you may have to explain that one further for the younger members of the forum! Â WHAM...the sound of newco feeling the full force of sanctions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady-isobel-barnett Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 I would like them to be called Club Corrupt Criminals I like that but perhaps Klub Korrupt Kriminals would be more marketable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerryHell Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 (edited) Its a shame that we can't say RFC is the gift that keeps on giving.  Or that the dam is about to burst.  Or even that there is a nuclear button that is soon to be pressed.  . etc. .  So, just whats going to happen next?  I really couldn't say   And as a final bedtime thought, its not as if BDO on behalf of HMRC are now challenging the asset sale to Green, and that an instruction for a new valuation of Ibrox and Murray Park is to be undertaken.  Everything going to be just fine down Govan way.  Sleep well.  It does kind of frustrate me how different things appear to be being claimed online, compared to what the public get to read in the media. I'm not saying Yoda Jag is wrong with any of his nods (abbreviated above - read post #722), or that i'm particularly surprised by the media blackout (of facts anyway), but if there is a credible source for any of this, why isn't it being reported by somebody. Anybody. I'd have thought the BBC would have a bit of confidence after their recent broadcast - but the longer the info stays out of the (general) public domain, the less pressure can be put on those sitting on the info, and the greater chance (I fear) there is of TAFKAR getting away with it all. And all as we drift towards the new season. Frustrating as hell. Edited June 20, 2012 by MerryHell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennythistle Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 It does kind of frustrate me how different things appear to be being claimed online, compared to what the public get to read in the media. I'm not saying Yoda Jag is wrong with any of his nods (abbreviated above - read post #722), or that i'm particularly surprised by the media blackout (of facts anyway), but if there is a credible source for any of this, why isn't it being reported by somebody. Anybody. I'd have thought the BBC would have a bit of confidence after their recent broadcast - but the longer the info stays out of the (general) public domain, the less pressure can be put on those sitting on the info, and the greater chance (I fear) there is of TAFKAR getting away with it all. And all as we drift towards the new season. Frustrating as hell. Â totally agree with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 (edited) http://www.dailyreco...86908-23898840/ Â What the feeling on this guys? I have had my tuppence worth on the CCJags thread so wont repeat it again, but definitely worth a discussion on what the feelings are if our club has to vote to let NEWCO into SPHell 2 Edited June 21, 2012 by Lindau Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bunny Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 (edited) http://www.dailyreco...86908-23898840/ Â What the feeling on this guys? I have had my tuppence worth on the CCJags thread so wont repeat it again, but definitely worth a discussion on what the feelings are if our club has to vote to let NEWCO into SPHell 2 Â Was half-agreeing up to a point (about using the situation to force change in Scottish league set-up) but when he said "Commercialisation doesn't work without Rangers" then he blew it. Yes you can say commercially things are more difficult for a while yes true but the SPL can survive without Rangers and gradually get stronger (and FFS it doesn't affect the Jags at all we've struggled by for years without them, just as most other lower league teams have). Â This canard that there's no league without both OF teams is nonsense and has been knocked on the head several times by other posters so I won't repeat the arguments as you will already have seen them. The only excuse for him saying this I can see is he maybe thinks fans of a defunct Rangers might come to Firhill lacking another team to follow and he's trying to keep onside with them. Â Â BTW This article worth a read I think. Some chairmen are kidding themselves on if they think that a newco Rangers are going to be the cash-cow that they seem to have thought the old one was (disputable). Â This newco if it comes about is going to be a weak team with who knows how many lawsuits brought against it. A weak team, not challenging for anything will not have a great support. We know how loyal most of them really are. Not to mention the away fans of both sides of the OF blacklisting SPL clubs for either voting for or against the newco. Â So the only thing is the TV money and that's been shown not to be so great - even if it's renoegotiated to give other clubs a bigger share. Edited June 21, 2012 by Mr Bunny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Was half-agreeing up to a point (about using the situation to force change in Scottish league set-up) but when he said "Commercialisation doesn't work without Rangers" then he blew it. Yes you can say commercially things are more difficult for a while yes true but the SPL can survive without Rangers and gradually get stronger (and FFS it doesn't affect the Jags at all we've struggled by for years without them, just as most other lower league teams have). Â This canard that there's no league without both OF teams is nonsense and has been knocked on the head several times by other posters so I won't repeat the arguments as you will already have seen them. The only excuse for him saying this I can see is he maybe thinks fans of a defunct Rangers might come to Firhill lacking another team to follow and he's trying to keep onside with them. Â Â BTW This article worth a read I think. Some chairmen are kidding themselves on if they think that a newco Rangers are going to be the cash-cow that they seem to have thought the old one was (disputable). Â This newco if it comes about is going to be a weak team with who knows how many lawsuits brought against it. A weak team, not challenging for anything will not have a great support. We know how loyal most of them really are. Not to mention the away fans of both sides of the OF blacklisting SPL clubs for either voting for or against the newco. Â So the only thing is the TV money and that's been shown not to be so great - even if it's renoegotiated to give other clubs a bigger share. Â All correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Scruff Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Was half-agreeing up to a point (about using the situation to force change in Scottish league set-up) but when he said "Commercialisation doesn't work without Rangers" then he blew it. Yes you can say commercially things are more difficult for a while yes true but the SPL can survive without Rangers and gradually get stronger (and FFS it doesn't affect the Jags at all we've struggled by for years without them, just as most other lower league teams have). Â This canard that there's no league without both OF teams is nonsense and has been knocked on the head several times by other posters so I won't repeat the arguments as you will already have seen them. The only excuse for him saying this I can see is he maybe thinks fans of a defunct Rangers might come to Firhill lacking another team to follow and he's trying to keep onside with them. Â Â BTW This article worth a read I think. Some chairmen are kidding themselves on if they think that a newco Rangers are going to be the cash-cow that they seem to have thought the old one was (disputable). Â This newco if it comes about is going to be a weak team with who knows how many lawsuits brought against it. A weak team, not challenging for anything will not have a great support. We know how loyal most of them really are. Not to mention the away fans of both sides of the OF blacklisting SPL clubs for either voting for or against the newco. Â So the only thing is the TV money and that's been shown not to be so great - even if it's renoegotiated to give other clubs a bigger share. I can't disagree with anything you say (in fact I pretty much agree with all of it). Â But my hope through this whole sorry debacle has been that it would force through much needed structural reform. In the absence of definitive rules, we all draw our own lines where we judge morality and justice. On that basis I would prefer to see a New Govan team playing from the bottom up from Div 3. But if the alternative were wholesale restructuring, with them being demoted, I'd take that as ';justice' over the current status quo remaining with New Govan playing in either the SPL or Div 3. There are precedents in other leagues for this. Â For me, that would maintain sporting integrity for a club (in effect) guilty of weak match fixing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971 Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Beattie's comments are very worrying. Sporting integrity is worth more than anything, and I'll be very unhappy if we vote for a measure that simply allows Rangers to drop into the First for a year. Besides the sporting integrity argument (which is paramount) there is also the harm it does to teams like ourselves with title aspirations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggernaut Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 So we get an SPL 2; i.e. with the rump h u n s likely to win the division next season. I think that many of us were thinking that we might mount a serious challenge for promotion next season, but that would immediately look less likely if we have them to contend with. Sure, a play-off for the team in 2nd place might be negotiated, but that's always a difficult hurdle (though the arabs succeeded against us). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillresigned Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 It is becoming more apparent as days go by that the club previously knowing as Rangers and their sympathizers and apologists are in complete disarray. The Scottish footballing authorities are in a state of near blind panic at the evidence so far made public of wrongdoing by the team from Govan on an almost industrial scale What the vast majority of non-Rangers fans wish to see is quite simply the matter treated in a non-partisan way, without fear or favour. However, what we are treated to is an almost daily catalogue of obfuscation and disinformation of a Kafkaesque variety. Well, I hope I'm speaking for many when I say that I'm sick to fed up with all the Hungeddon stories, which imply the Earth will stop revolving if Rangers are treated in the manner their behavior deserves.Added to my feeling of anger is the lack of acknowledgement of wrong doing or even hint of an apology or ant act of contrition. Indeed, we are basically told that its our fault for punishing the Ibrox club! Well, a word or two in the shelllike of the powers that be in Scottish football and indeed the custodians of our own football club: do they think we are mugs? I know I have spent thirty odd years supporting a "wee" team that is highly unlikely ever to win the Champions League, yet I trust that given the right luck and circumstances that my team will have at least a sporting chance in any competition it enters. This is why so many non-Rangers fans are angry, what we are being told is effectively that no matter what there is one team that will never be subject to the same discipline as anyone else. That's just plain wrong and if some contrived resolution is arrived at to allow Rangers a feather bedded punishment, I'm finished with Scottish football. After all what would be the point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Jag Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 That's a great point stillresigned and one that you would be well making to our chairman. It sums up what I have been thinking during this absolute farce over the last few months of Dead Rangers demise. The media (Off the Ball team and the ginger Radio Scotland guy apart), lickspittle pundits, OF "greats" are making a mockery of our game by peddling the line essentially that they are too big to fail. Utter f*cking nonsense and should be highlighted as such at every opportunity. Any hint of letting them off with it and I'm off too. The game will be a bogey for this 3rd generation Jag with two boys ready to follow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennythistle Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 In the event Rangers "get away with it " the solution is simple. Shut down Scottish football completely. Every May hold a lottery. Two names in. Rangers and Celtic. Which ever one gets drawn then they get to keep the League, Scottish cup and League cup for the year. Â We may as well as there will be bugger all point in any of the rest of us being involved! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindau Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 It is becoming more apparent as days go by that the club previously knowing as Rangers and their sympathizers and apologists are in complete disarray. The Scottish footballing authorities are in a state of near blind panic at the evidence so far made public of wrongdoing by the team from Govan on an almost industrial scale What the vast majority of non-Rangers fans wish to see is quite simply the matter treated in a non-partisan way, without fear or favour. However, what we are treated to is an almost daily catalogue of obfuscation and disinformation of a Kafkaesque variety. Well, I hope I'm speaking for many when I say that I'm sick to fed up with all the Hungeddon stories, which imply the Earth will stop revolving if Rangers are treated in the manner their behavior deserves.Added to my feeling of anger is the lack of acknowledgement of wrong doing or even hint of an apology or ant act of contrition. Indeed, we are basically told that its our fault for punishing the Ibrox club! Well, a word or two in the shelllike of the powers that be in Scottish football and indeed the custodians of our own football club: do they think we are mugs? I know I have spent thirty odd years supporting a "wee" team that is highly unlikely ever to win the Champions League, yet I trust that given the right luck and circumstances that my team will have at least a sporting chance in any competition it enters. This is why so many non-Rangers fans are angry, what we are being told is effectively that no matter what there is one team that will never be subject to the same discipline as anyone else. That's just plain wrong and if some contrived resolution is arrived at to allow Rangers a feather bedded punishment, I'm finished with Scottish football. After all what would be the point? Â Well said Sir!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Mad Vlad says no!! http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/2012/06/21/rangers-in-crisis-hearts-become-first-club-to-admit-they-will-vote-no-to-newco-being-allowed-in-spl-86908-23899090/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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